QOTD: Joan Cusack's Bitchy Advice To Gabourey Sidibe
Right after Mo'Nique tried to break Precious' spirit by nearly hitting her on top of the head with a free falling TV, Joan Cusack tried to gently break Gabourey Sidibe's Hollywood dreams by telling her the same shit Stephanie Yellowhair would tell me if I said I wanted to work the stroll: "You just don't have the looks to work, bitch." During a game of Plead the 5th on Watch What Happens Live last night, Andy Cohen asked Gaby what celebrity she was most disappointed by after meeting them (at the 1:14 mark in the video below) and this came out of her mouth:
"It's not in a mean way because I know she meant well. I met Joan Cusack, who is my favorite, favorite, and she... I love her. It was before I became whatever and I was like at some industry party and she says, 'Are you an actress?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And she says, 'Oh honey, you should really quit the business. It's so image conscious.' I think she really, really meant it in a good way... I think she really, really did, so no shade to her, but I was like, 'Oh, but I love you, please don't tell me to quit my job.'"
Joan is right. Hollywood usually only gets hard up for beauties, but if Joan's ass is still getting work, then they must not be that image obsessed. I'm sure Joan meant in a "this business will turn you into an insecure heffa and before you know it you'll be getting daytime chin lipo and an earlobe transplant to stay in the game" kind of way. Or Joan was just being an unfiltered bitch. I hope it's the latter, because we really need more bitches at the bitch table.
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It is really side how hollywood obsesses over people...
I hope they would ignore it and handle you with the tact and class that Gabourey handled Joan. One person in the conversation had some class and it was not the image conscious one.
That was pretty messed up...But that just goes to show how people want skinny attractive people to idolize.
Why didn't Joanie take the opposite tack: "You go girl!! Show them Hollywood is not all tall skinny blondes and big teethed brunettes!! They need peeps like us too!" No, she rips the poor girl down and destroys her. Nice, joan. Go back to Evanston (Evanston!! gawd) and crawl under the hater rock. It's your new home, right next to the trailer park.
And for the record, I don't believe in encouraging obesity, but she's not less attractive to me than the granny skinny bitches with nasty plastic tits or so much botox and plastic surgery they only look good for burn victims. Fact is though, to judge her regarding her weight is like judging someone for having diabetes, it's sad, but we don't know her medical history and frankly it's not her only trait....if you've seen her in interviews she's funny, intelligent and has the "it" factor in that you want to watch her or hear what she has to say. For those that only want to see two dimensional, "girls next door" type bimbi's, you're brain dead and should a waste of skin and air. And this is coming from a skinny bitch.
Even though Joan probably meant well NO ONE should discourage anyone from following their dreams. Mind your own fucking business and let people go after whatever fulfillment they want. Yes, Gabourey isn't the typical actress but guess what!!!!!...she achieved her dreams and is a working actress. And obviously a gracious woman. People are so quick to impose their thoughts on others but who the fuck really cares?? Be yourself and live your own life.
The older I get the more convinced I am that Hollywood is run by emotionally and mentally stunted weenies overcompensating for something. Many action movies with old men and young women just come off as boring, idiotic adolescent fantasies. Or should I say, sad old man fantasies? Honestly, I would rather watch Gabby or Joan than the cardboard cutout zombies with deformed plastic tits. The only reason to cast a certain kind of look is for sex appeal, can't a movie or a woman be about more than that? And whenever you meet men in real life who are constantly with young women, they are for the most part, pathetic, immature and can't actually get anyone their own age worthwhile to go out with them.....only the young ones are dumb enough.
The most disappointing thing about Joan's comment, is women should be encouraging each other to break down those walls.....remember when only anemic, weird brady bunch type freaks were considered attractive and "ethinic" types were out? Times have changed and will continue to change if the audience speaks out. Fuck the a-holes that ruin movies by only casting cardboard to appeal to a tiny demographic.
Submitted by fattymatty on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 7:44am.
Obese people just bring out the hate in people.
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I agree with this. While I think there was more context to the quote above, it's insane how thinly veiled contempt for obesity can be. I truly think it has less to do with someone's problem with another person- I believe it's a deep rooted self loathing or fear of being obese that makes people project their ill will onto others.
Anybody with half a brain knows that Hollywood is image conscious. Anybody with the other half knows Gabourey didn't beat out 300 thin girls for the role that put her on the map so there IS a niche for her look.
In the end, there are just as many vile, ugly and self loathing skinny people out there who overstate the importance of their weight in very thinly veiled attempts to get a boost of self esteem. I wouldn't congratulate anyone on being unhealthy and obesity has it's risks, but let's not pretend fat people should me miserable and thin people have no image issues, much to SFRB's point.
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Submitted by fattymatty on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 7:44am.
Obese people just bring out the hate in people. Seems even more intense than when a skinny cokehead appears in the tabloids. People get fuckin mad when a fat person dares to go out in public. I'm not saying she's healthy. I don't give a shit. She can be as fat as she wants. It got her an Oscar nomination. Like it or not obese people have stories to tell. Not every role has to be for a fragile waif. There's so many kinds of people that rarely get represented. If she wants to be a size 30, go for it. She'll probably die of heart disease and diabetes but that's her life choice. Just like it's every other actresses right so snort their fat away and drink red bull all day long.
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I just want to bump this up.
I'm not skinny, and it's sad that this is all the information some assholes need to make a decision/pass judgment about ME. Some people feel the need to post pics of themselves or talk about their thinness and outward beauty and this somehow qualifies them as being acceptable.
Well guess what - no one really asked you how your ass looks in jeans, Joan. And bitch - you ugly, too! Your face looks like John Cusack had sex with a boot and prayed to the blue fairy, and then the boot became your face. But you're a good actress, and I loved you in My Blue Heaven. You also have a cute way of speaking, Joan - I like how your lips move.
and it's not JUST the FAT - but it's the HAPPY + FAT that some people just can't handle. If I walked around (FAT PEOPLE DON'T WALK) and hung my head in shame (MY CHEEKS AND CHINS ARE SO HEAVY) then it would be more acceptable to others that I am fat, because I'm obviously aware of it then, and am paying the price with my sadness. This makes some people feel better.
It was interesting to read these comments.
Hugs dlisters.
I luv Joan and I applaud her for tellin' it like it is but shouldn't her advice also have included some tips? Because she should know, she ain't a looker.
In all honesty it is not healthy for anyone to be that overweight. Maybe Joan was snarking at Hollywood for being so obsessed with being stick thin? Or maybe she is jealous Gabby didn't have to sleep her way to the top like 95% of Hollywood does.
Submitted by EdmundLangdown on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 1:02pm.
Joan should be applauded for telling it like it is.
Gabourey got lucky in being the 1 actress who could (probably temporarily) 'make it' while on a permanent eating binge. Others who follow her example almost all won't.
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True, but dude, most people who try to get into show biz don't make it far. Doesn't matter if they're thin, gorgeous, talented or not. Weird thing is I come from a sleepy Texas town yet somehow I know around 10 people who've made a serious bid for Hollywood, New York theater or the music biz. Some are talented, some are not. They're all very attractive, even gorgeous in a few cases. None have had their big break (save for the semi-sleazy "modeling shoot" here and there) and they're in their 30s already. Making it has to do with luck, connections, or sleeping with the right person who just happens to give you a break. Gaby made it on sheer luck and yes, talent, because her performance in Precious was brilliant. Joan's "advice" to not follow an acting career because she is so fat (and so black, I'm sure) was not only passive aggressive and cunty, but turned out to be wrong as well.
"I'm glad that you're defending the fat girl, but I seriously doubt that Sibide related the entire conversation verbatim. I can't imagine that even the shallowest of shallow party convos progressed seamlessly from, "what do you do?" "I'm an actress." to "quit your job, honey, this industry is too image conscious." Sidibe probably related her experiences, then said something about being happy with her weight. Then Joan told her what."
I agree 100%. And I think Sibide seems like a nice girl.
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I think Joan was actually trying to help her. Hollywood is notoriously unkind to any but the thinnest, youngest women. Unless you are Meryl Streep, you're probably not going to get any roles after age 40. Moreover, the weight issue--and the critical nature of the film industry--drives women to anorexia. Not saying it's right, but Joan Cusack (whose brother is John) grew up in an acting family, and the Cusack's know how Hollywood works from an insider's perspective. I think she was forewarning her of heartbreak--that's all.
Joan should be applauded for telling it like it is.
How many morbidly obese, huge-headed, no-titted, full-on ugly actresses with god-awful style are making decent money? A grand total of 1 - Gabourey herself, and I'd bet money that her career's already peaked with Precious, which was somewhat of a one-off (the character Precious is hugely unfortunate, and Gabourey looks it - there aren't many roles like that).
So Joan was giving accurate no-bull shit advice, which would have been correct in 99.999% of cases, and it's correct for almost all the other wannabe actresses with Gabourey's looks/physique. Gabourey got lucky in being the 1 actress who could (probably temporarily) 'make it' while on a permanent eating binge. Others who follow her example almost all won't. More of Joan's kind of straight-talking could save a lot of people a lot of wasted time - people always pay lip service to the reasonableness of other people's ambitions, even when they're so often hopelessly ambitious given the person abilities/talents/intellect/education/connections whatever. It's dishonest and not really even kind.
Girlfriend is seriously obese - and it will likely kill her at a young age - that said, her performance was amazing. If you did not weep then you have a rock where your heart should be. And it was not all about her character's weight - it was about poisonous family relationships, pig-ignorance, and hopelessness - all of which Gaby's character overcomes.
Joan Cusack, while a talented actor, will NEVER give such a performance. Which is fine.....I like Joan Cusack, but I am dissappointed in her "advice". It is NEVER ok to "offer" advice to a stranger. Especially if the stranger is a FAN, who has just delivered you a great compliment. What the hell ever happened to MANNERS - oh - and kindness. Here is what Joan COULD have said: "Well my dear, I wish you the very best of luck - but PLEASE remember to take care of yourself; this is a tough industry, and we have to stay strong physically and mentally".
What would THAT have cost? - you get your point across that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, AND you bring a little warmth and kindness to the table.
Jesus - people suck
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She probably meant she was too black as well as too fat, but didn't have the balls to say it.
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Ugh, I would have told her that she wouldn't succeed by wearing such an ugly denim jacket.
Submitted by TheBreakdown on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 10:29am.
How was that throwing shade? That was the blunt truth.
Blunt truth? Gabourey went on to become an Oscar-nominated actress, so how was that blunt truth? Only a fucking asshole would tell someone something like that "just give up your dream because you're not blonde and thin".
John is definitely the much prettier sister, get over yourself Joan.
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How was that throwing shade? That was the blunt truth.
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What is up with all the fat hate??? By no way am I supporting obesity since it what is choking the health system today with the onslaught of diabetes and heart disease. But I am not going to say, this gal can't work in Hollywood. Actors have to come in all shapes and sizes.
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Obese people just bring out the hate in people. Seems even more intense than when a skinny cokehead appears in the tabloids. People get fuckin mad when a fat person dares to go out in public. I'm not saying she's healthy. I don't give a shit. She can be as fat as she wants. It got her an Oscar nomination. Like it or not obese people have stories to tell. Not every role has to be for a fragile waif. There's so many kinds of people that rarely get represented. If she wants to be a size 30, go for it. She'll probably die of heart disease and diabetes but that's her life choice. Just like it's every other actresses right so snort their fat away and drink red bull all day long.
I am so in agreement. I hate the way the media lionizes this blubbery whale and also Melissa McCarthy, celebrating their "curves." They're fat pigs. A good example of an attractive, full figure would be Fran Drescher.
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This woman is not fat. She is morbidly obese. Anyone who applauds this level of gluttony needs a reality check quick smart. Her monstrous layers of flab offend me in the same way that the emaciated grissled bodies of the pin head size zero crowd does. Remember, just because you are the size of an orca whale doesnt mean you are empowered and a positive role model to anyone.
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Sidibe was a student, but she was always acting, taking classes, I think, and auditioning.
I think that Joan Cusack should be in the remake of "The Color Purple" playing Celie.
oh dave, I don't want to argue, but "advice" and "advise" are two different words. One is a noun, and the other is a verb.
I'm glad that you're defending the fat girl, but I seriously doubt that Sibide related the entire conversation verbatim. I can't imagine that even the shallowest of shallow party convos progressed seamlessly from, "what do you do?" "I'm an actress." to "quit your job, honey, this industry is too image conscious." Sidibe probably related her experiences, then said something about being happy with her weight. Then Joan told her what.
The funny thing is, Gabourey Sidibe's online profile indicates that her "Precious" role happened on a whim, that she was actually working on getting a degree and skipped her final exams to audition for "Precious." Yet in the scenario related above, she hadn't landed her Precious role, but was attending an industry party.
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Joan is right. Gabi doesn't need to get skinny, but dropping a few so she doesn't. look like a stack of 18 wheeler tires wouldn't hurt.
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this reminds of that "fat" girl who was in bridesmaid who is in that sitcom mike and molly.
she has been type cast so far, she either plays 1. quirky funny fat chick
2. horny fat chick who wants to fuck every dude
and people laugh cuz its like omg..fat chick is being horny.
only in hollywood where women must be size 0 and shit.
if you watched european cinemas, the actors and actress come in all shapes, sizes, and looks. these same people wouldnt get a job in hollywood because they dont have the look that hollywood wants, i.e megan fox.
CSG,
Still dating that ex-priest?
Jesus, let me toke...
Submitted by vsminimoose on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 5:28am.
Gabourey needs to take some drastic measures to enable her to lose some weight. She looks awful. I don't care what people say about "well she's fat but at least she's happy." Submitted by vsminimoose on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 5:28am.
Gabourey needs to take some drastic measures to enable her to lose some weight. She looks awful. I don't care what people say about "well she's fat but at least she's happy." No, nobody is happy with that much weight on them...when climbing stairs is almost enough to put you in the hospital due to the strain on your heart.
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You're right, she is miserable and deserves to be. Stupid fat girl. Of course she could never be happy, she can't climb the stairs!
Submitted by catholicschoolgirl on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 5:17am.
Bjorkie - are you reading TTSS or is the movie available already? I have a couple of books I could read, but just can't seem to stay focused tonight.
OT - agree it takes all body types to make a movie or tv show interesting. I can't with the cookie-cutter tv shows where the entire cast looks related. It seemed as if movies and tv were finally getting more diversity, but lately they're reverting back to the same types - very California with one brunette, one African-American and one Latino included in a supporting role. Boring.
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Read the book? A book? Was iz dat?
No, I am catching the movie on line. But it is now 5:30am. Digby is going to KICK MY ASS in the morning.
There is the new show created by Shonda Rhimes (??) starring Kerry Washington in the lead, the second show in 30 years to feature a black woman in the lead (the first was Dianne Carroll in "Julia"). Earl J. Waggador (?) for the win!
I only saw one episode, but that Laura Linney show, "The C Word" I think it is, is pretty good. Sidibe is good in it. Whatever, the kid is lucky and happy. She is paid, and paid well, to do what she likes to do, and she is happy about it, appreciative of her good luck.
Ah, fuck it, all those awards and nominations and acting gigs. She needs to starve herself, get surgery, and not be fat. Ever.
Gabourey needs to take some drastic measures to enable her to lose some weight. She looks awful. I don't care what people say about "well she's fat but at least she's happy." No, nobody is happy with that much weight on them...when climbing stairs is almost enough to put you in the hospital due to the strain on your heart.
Bjorkie - are you reading TTSS or is the movie available already? I have a couple of books I could read, but just can't seem to stay focused tonight.
OT - agree it takes all body types to make a movie or tv show interesting. I can't with the cookie-cutter tv shows where the entire cast looks related. It seemed as if movies and tv were finally getting more diversity, but lately they're reverting back to the same types - very California with one brunette, one African-American and one Latino included in a supporting role. Boring.
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Hey CSG,
God help me. Maybe I will try to finish "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy." Please, let go find a Will Ferrell comedy...
OT: I think it's kind of lousy to smush someone's dream like that. Not all characters are thin and attractive because most people are not like that in real life! We need diverse actors to reflect our different looks and lives.
Sigh. Nice that everyone is so good looking and a size 0, as if that is some kind of life goal.
(I still remember and like Joan in "Sixteen Candles" and "School of Rock.")
Insomnia, too!
Hey Bjorkie! I can't believe we're meeting up at 4:02 am (CST). I've got a bad case of insomnia but am off today so I'm hoping to try and get some sleep soon. What are you doing up this early?
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CSG!!
Joan's face is haggard and she's sporting a spare tire in that picture, but yeah, shit on someone's dream. From what I've heard around Chicago, she's a major bitch.
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Joan's talented and has paid her dues but that was just a shitty thing to say. Lots of folks struggle to break into show biz, and most don't, so to tell one person they're too fat and ugly to succeed doesn't have much merit except to shit on them. Gaby's had accomplishments that any actor, gorgeous or not, dreams of. Luck played a huge role in Gaby's career, as the character in Precious was perfect for her, but she got famous because her portrayal of that role was just brilliant. Even if it was a one-time special thing, it was really a perfect performance, IMO.
But I do think it's funny that Gabby should throw some passive aggressive shade at Joan, who's the perfect target for that sort of thang because most people look at Joan and think she's some kind of cookie-baking sweetheart. But come on, her brother's John Cusack, you know they're both major league cunts.
"What a hellacious thing to say.
Joan Cusack is NOT talented and only rode her brother's coattails to Hollywood, playing "quirky" characters with a lisp. She should know about Hollywood judging people by their looks-- she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
Karma sux, doesn't it, Joanie??"
Yes, moron, lets be politically correct, lets pretend the problem doesnt exist, maybe it will disappear, lets not tell the truth, thats shes morbidly obese, that shes a talentless bag of lard, of course. U suck, dumbass, not Joanie! Go have sex with Sidibe if so! Go wash her genitals, wipe them after she uses the toilet coz I doubt she's capable of that anymore. Ure into pigs, I got it.
"Wow who knew Joan Cusack was such a cunt."
Who knew ure such a cretin?
"What a cunt!! She always rubbed me the wrong way for some reason. And I can't stand her brother either; didn't he beat up an ex gf b/c she refused to get an abortion or something??"
A cunt for telling the truth? What do u care about what she or her brother does in their private lives? Mind ur own shit rather. Sit down, ure useless!
"What a complete asshole."
Better than a retard like u.
Again this talentless disgusting pile of lard?
Submitted by oh dave on Fri, 04/27/2012 - 3:06am.
Oh dave, maybe I underestimate the power of positive thinking or having a dream. I've never had any ambitions to speak of myself, so this is definitely not my area of expertise. Based on my limited knowledge about Hollywood, I just think that Gaby is not likely to be seen as someone who can play a vast array of roles.
And yes, Cusack should have kept her thoughts to herself, because no one asked her. I find myself making the same mistake sometimes. It comes with the territory of getting older and gaining life experience. When you see someone embarking on the wrong path you want to save them the heartache. People are allowed to make their own mistakes, though. That's part of the learning process.
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