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This "victim" has a shady past. Looks like he is a grifter: stealing from sugar daddies.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/elmo-accuser-recanted...

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I posted that yesterday... it was PAYDAY for a dissed lover.
The young twinkie was looking for a Sugar Daddy and he got tossed to the side when he became insufferable.

So Twinkie threw the story out there so embarrass Kevin Clash into paying him a nice little settlement for his silence.
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Submitted by Bunny Rabbit on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 4:08am.

I was sort of hoping that the human race had evolved over time. For me, it's not just the physical aspect of it all, it's the mental part too. As an older adult you know things by experience that a considerably younger adult has yet to learn. You just don't mess with that learning curve. A consensual relationship is not necessarily an equal relationship. To me, a fifty something man sleeping with an 18-year-old feels wrong, always
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Base behavior in humans has hardly ever evolved. Humans love sex and we love our partners to look good and perhaps, look young. We have laws and abitrary morals to control our sex drives, which funny enough, nature instills in us as very young adolescents. I agree that older people should be wiser, but if it's two consenting ADULTS, regardless of the age difference, it becomes a non-story. Let's say this was a heterosexual couple. Yes, we may turn up our noses for a 52 year old to sleep with an 18 year old woman, but it's not uncommon. And really, do we truly blame him, if the 18 year old is more than willing to do it? It may be weird or unusual, but it's not wrong. Hardly ever is a relationship equal, even if the partners are close in age. There's almost always a bargain or some kind of power play, however subtle, in even average relationships.

If the relationship was consensual and the accuser wasn't underaged, why is his name being still being withheld?

Submitted by mynameisstolen on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:53am.

What if the boning happened outside NY? Or in a couple of different states? What if the criminal statute hadn't run? That'd sure make me want to pay up to squelch any criminal charges. Your own cite says that the civil statute can be extended from 7-10 years after the crime if the abuser is convicted.

Submitted by TelevisedRevolution on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 2:04pm.
moral of the story - if you are rich, famous and over the age of 40, and some youngster starts offering you some ass, politely tell them to go play with someone their own age and walk away.

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Anyone who is over 40 should have the maturity and self control to walk away. Clash did not. He is a creeper. And the fact he works on a children's show is even sicker. It is like having a registered sex offender living next door to a grade school.

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squirrels to the nuts!

moral of the story - if you are rich, famous and over the age of 40, and some youngster starts offering you some ass, politely tell them to go play with someone their own age and walk away.

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God don't like ugly.

I'm glad.

Probably Kevin should stay away from anyone under 30. Though legal, it just looks weird. I guess if you're a celeb, you're going to be scrutinized. (Plus I could see a 23 year old looking to do this more than a "more mature" person.)

I hope Elmo can bounce back. Kevin Clash has been doing well also. Hope this fades away as much as possible.

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Well, I dont really have much of an opinion on this elmo scandal but humor me, please...I need to just add a word about MJ as he has been popping up in here and he often comes up in other threads like this. I nearly always think that where there's smoke there's fire but in his particular case you could very well replace the fire with money. I really think that if one is to have a fair opinion about those cases, one is obligated to find out more than was floated around more mainstream media. Very disturbing shit and it makes complete sense why he was acquitted and was never brought in for anything else, either, despite prosecutors breaking their backs for many years to do it. Regardless, it was game over for him back in the 90s after the first allegation. It was much easier to believe (and more sickly entertaining) for him to be guilty.

I do not in ANY way think accusers/victims should be put through the wringer or on trial but when there are flags, there are flags and in his case they were legitimate and all over the damn place. MJ was clearly mentally ill and had the most awful, ridiculous judgment (and his rep as a total weirdo didn't help), but I don't believe he was guilty. Either way, it's part of his legacy.

Submitted by Esteem on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:36pm.

Too bad Clash's SWorkshop money is going to dry up now that he's shelled out all that money.
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Actually it says six figures, so let's go to the top of 6 figures at $999,999.00. Kevin Clash's net worth is $12 million. He makes a considerable sum from the merchandising of the Elmo products, which will probably keep on going and going. So I doubt that he is going to broke after this.

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The rest of the comments are TLTR so here is my $.02, who cares who someone is fucking if they are consenting adults. Is it okay to have sex with another adult or is it not okay? It's pretty black and white.

***** It's clear the young man was after the $, which is why there was no legal action. ****

The statute of limitations to sue in civil court for sex abuse that occurred as a child is 1 year after your 18th birthday, unless the accused is convicted of a crime then that extends to 7-10 years (the added 3 years is for abuse by an official, like a clergy man). http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/new-yorks-statute-of-limit...

So for those saying KC is guilty because he paid, there was never going to be any legal action taken unless it was in criminal court where the SOL is 5 years from your 18th birthday and the young man would have to wait until KC was convicted to sue him civilly. Since the police were not involved at any point, it is doubtful that would have happened since the young man is 23 now, funny just after 5 years.

There was friend of my SIL's family who's step daughter accused him of molestation and his wife left him. Turned out the step-daughter had also accused two of the mother's previous boyfriends of molestation causing the mother to leave them.

Mother and step daughter ended up moving from a really nice house into a 1 bedroom apt because the step-father left the mother because of the step-daughter's lying.

While I know this is totally earmarked with foolery, all 3 times it came out from the police that she was lying. I don't really know all the exact facts but that sort of cry wolf shit makes it bad for everyone who is a real victim (on either side).

Submitted by Bossy on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 9:55am.
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With all of our speculating you are bang on. Who knows what really went on.

I hate when this kind of stuff happens. You don't know if the alleged "victim" is a shitty person who knew they could extort someone so they made shit up to get money OR there really was a victim and he was a-okay with moving on so long as the offender paid up. We don't know the details nor were we there so I guess we'll never know for sure.

Submitted by SpottedDogRanch on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 2:46am.
Bernie Fine (the basketball coach) had all charges dropped because some of the accusers were lying. The media printing it does not make it fact. While the justice system can seem like a clusterfuck, it exists for a reason. People are too quick to point the guilty finger at someone before the facts are laid out.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8610174&city=newyork

Just because it offends your morality does not make it illegal.
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You forgot to mention the two boys Bernie Fine DID abuse, but charges were unable to be brought against him due to statues of limitations. One of his victims recorded a conversation with his wife who admitted she
knew all along there was abuse going on. Another case of adults protecting another adult. Had he not recorded that conversation, EVERYONE, including his wife, would have painted him as a goldigger trying to tarnish the reputation of a "respected" coach. Victims are screwed in more ways than one.

Submitted by MickeyHolland on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 4:25am.
I was sort of hoping that the human race had evolved over time. For me, it's not just the physical aspect of it all, it's the mental part too. As an older adult you know things by experience that a considerably younger adult has yet to learn. You just don't mess with that learning curve. A consensual relationship is not necessarily an equal relationship. To me, a fifty something man sleeping with an 18-year-old feels wrong, always.
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Agreed! It is wrong. Clash is definitely the victim in this case.

To the person who said they will always side with the victim when an accusation is in place....that's just stupid.

I understand doubting someone calling out "child molestation" does, in a way, discourage those to come forward but give me a break. When someone who is innocent is being accused then THEY are the victim...almost as much as the lying piece of shit would be if it was true.

Their career would be ruined
Their future relationships would be ruined as people would always be suspicious of that person
They would probably have their lives threatened on a regular basis from the accusation.

Sorry - I know the go-to is to hear someone cry molestation and side with them no matter what.....but I think that's fucked up. I think people always want a scandal and want to hang someone. Sometimes I honestly think people want it to be true because it's so horrible.

This disgusting kid was just taking advantage of him. There was no emotional or mental damage done. He just saw an opportunity to cash in on this, and did. Disgusting.

Submitted by Bunny Rabbit on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 4:08am.

I was sort of hoping that the human race had evolved over time. For me, it's not just the physical aspect of it all, it's the mental part too. As an older adult you know things by experience that a considerably younger adult has yet to learn. You just don't mess with that learning curve. A consensual relationship is not necessarily an equal relationship. To me, a fifty something man sleeping with an 18-year-old feels wrong, always.

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Who are you calling silly cow?

Submitted by Bunny Rabbit on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 4:08am.

indeed, some folks might want to consider forbearing from making comments that criticize politicians and members of certain political parties for trying to substitute their subjective moral positions for the law of their home state.

/smells like hypocrisy spirit?

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

I'm surprised so many of you consider an 18 year old a "teenager." They are adults by legal definition and by universal standards. Of course, we must obey and respect our laws regarding consent. But while we might think it's gross by today's standards for a young adult and and older adult to get together, it's been going on since time immemorial. Men have fucked and married younger people forever. Y'all need to get out more.

Even though the sex was legal, something about this doesn't sit right with me. The guy in question was still just a teen at the time. In my universe, like in the universe of Star Trek, this is when the Prime Directive comes into effect. The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations, in this particular case the teen world. In other words, a grown (family) man has no business messing with someone close to his own kid's age. Be a man and sleep with real men.

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Who are you calling silly cow?

What is also a truly messed up aspect of this story is that Sesame Street airs on Public Access Television aka PBS so that means that technically some of that hush money was "funded by viewers like you." Ha!
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Bernie Fine (the basketball coach) had all charges dropped because some of the accusers were lying. The media printing it does not make it fact. While the justice system can seem like a clusterfuck, it exists for a reason. People are too quick to point the guilty finger at someone before the facts are laid out.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8610174&city=newyork

Just because it offends your morality does not make it illegal.

Submitted by Dog on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:38pm.

I can't stand Harvey Levin. He tries so hard to act young and hip; he's pathetic. He used to be a respected lawyer and legal commentator. WTF happened to him?

The TMZ site is overun by a bunch of kids!

Tickle me...HELL NO!

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Sad.

and at least learn the proper diagnostic standards for the term so many of you like to toss around. fuck!

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=18...

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

Submitted by lislop on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:06am.

Good thing there are people on the side of the victims who serve in juries, otherwise pedophiles like Sandusky would be roaming free

and good thing there are people with diverse life experiences and points of view who are willing to follow the court's instructions on the law and hang juries that could be controlled by people like you

and when the fuck did i defend a pedophile? put it in fucking quotes

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

Submitted by Migraineuse on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:12am.

Submitted by lislop on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:43pm.

and people who perpetually believe themselves to be victimized will see victims everywhere even where there are none.

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

I agree with lislop. He's still a creep and I'm glad he paid something. It's just fishy to me. *throws away jury summons*

Submitted by lislop on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:44am.
It was illegal for the geezer to have sex with a minor. A lot of celebrities have to pay to cover up their bad deeds and this is just another one of those cases.
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I'm gonna have to agree with foxxy on this, that even THOUGH this guy recanted the fact that he was underage, AND ACTUALLY WAS OF CONSENSUAL age you clearly want to hold on to your False information.
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It was illegal for the geezer to have sex with a minor. A lot of celebrities have to pay to cover up their bad deeds and this is just another one of those cases.

The emails he sent to the victim were creepy. An overall pedo, sexual abuser.

I hope there aren't anymore victims, but if they exist I hope they come forward.

Submitted by Daniee on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:11am.
Submitted by Esteem on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:04am.
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The word is thrown about a lot, but it's no cakewalk for the accusers either. Yes, the famous are taken advantage of, so are many victims. That's why it's too bad there won't be an official investigation. Imo, the fact he has admitted to a relationship, as if he thinks it's perfectly normal to have been sleeping with a teen, seems off to me.

In any case Sesame Street, can breathe easier now... I don't doubt they were the main drivers of this being hushed up asap.

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Submitted by lislop on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:43pm.

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"I'm not the part of the group who is saying the victim is being a manipulative, greedy individual. Nor am I siding trying with an old geezer who in his mid 40s was fucking a teenager. The victim only recanted as per the settlement. He was pretty clear he was 16. The fact remains that you have a middle-aged geezer fucking a teenager. If he was really being conned, he wouldn't have paid. The geezer wanted to make sure that no more of his dirty laundry was aired out."

That's not true. A lot of celebs pay for potentially bad press whether it's true or false TO GO AWAY because of the damage it could have to their careers, and especially in THIS INSTANCE, when the dude is on an iconic CHILD'S TELEVISION SHOW. And how was he clear he was 16? In the first instance he made it clear he was 16, AND in a consensual relationship. THEN HE RECANTED, and just said consensual. There is nothing wrong with being in a consensual relationship, therefore logic dictates, he was detracting the underage part, as he never denied there was a relationship in the first place.

"The same was said of all the Sandusky victims a d that high profile case involving the basketball coach. Only when faced with Indisputable evidence was something done. It's disgusting how easy it is to accuse the victims."
OH PUH-LEASE do not try to compare what that guy did to those boys as what this con-artist tried to pull with Clash.

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"What if all you understand could fit into the center of a hand? And then you found it wasn't you, who held the sum of everything you knew?"

Whatever the guy's age was, he was paid to shut-up. That looks very suspicious. If it was blackmail, Clash could have gone to the authorities. Heck, John Stamos did when some chick's boyfriend said he had pics of Stamos snorting coke off a 17 year old girl. Stamos said, "prove it." He didn't worry about how it looked.

Submitted by Migraineuse on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:12am

I will put this in terms of personal experience for you and lislop, ok?

I lost my virginity at 14 of my own free will. I sought a friend of the family, a good person, to take that journey with me, which he kindly did. He was 38. Did I ask for money afterwards? No. Did I yell rape? No. He gave me the experience I asked for.

You don't know what the situation is here, in this case, no one does, except those involved. Yes, more extortion is prevalent than it was 30 some years ago, so do I believe that this was a shakedown based on the actions of the accuser? Yes, given what I've read.

Night all.

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Submitted by lislop on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:43pm.

We'll never know what really happened here, but I'd rather side with the victim, always.

The way victims are blamed, called liars and manipulators and gold-diggers, is disgusting. People will split any hair, twist any argument, to defend abusers.

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Submitted by Esteem on Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:04am.
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People do tend to throw around the term Pedo too often.

I'm not so willing to condemn a victim, but others sure are. However, I'm not willing to side with a geezer in his 40s who fucks teenager. Might want to read the statement again.

Leave Elmo out of it, he's always been a pervy-sounding muppet, love it! lol but in the same way that Nash is afforded the benefit of the doubt over whether it was consensual, so too should the other guy! How rich is Nash, why is the other guy being called a golddigger, Nash is no big star. We don't know the reasons he came forward or if he went to the company first. Only what's been leaked. If there's no investigation, how can one take sides?

But totes agree with boredasfuckyo and the others wondering what the heck a 45 y.o. is doing with a teen? The ick factor speaks volumes. Hello Courtney and Doug!

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Good thing there are people on the side of the victims who serve in juries, otherwise pedophiles like Sandusky would be roaming free.

Clash paid because he was guilty. I hope others will come forward with accusations.

I never cared for Elmo anyways. I love the Count, Snuffy and Herry Monster. Herry never got much air time. But he was the most intelligent. Heeeheeeheee

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Good thing there are people on the side of the victims who serve in juries, otherwise pedophiles like Sandusky would be roaming free.

Clash paid because he was guilty. I hope others will come forward with accusations.

Submitted by lislop on Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:52pm.

Pedophiles like Sandusky and Clash seduce their victims with the promise of gifts and money.

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Whelp, if you're going to condem a man without a trial lislop, at least get your terms straight hmm?

"As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger"

For the primary sexual interest in 11–14 year old pubescents, see Hebephilia. For mid-to-late adolescents (15–19), see Ephebophilia.

Oh and while your at it, read the statement, regardless of how pearl-clutching this is for you, the accuser's statement says it was consensual, so if he didn't report the crime to the police now or when it happened, maybe it wasn't one? Just a thought.

/going to dinner, sorry to bail on the conversation. good nite!

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

"Clash is a disgusting old man for fucking a teenager that was underage."

even the "accuser" himself has recanted that he was a minor when the fucking began. you clearly just want to stubbornly cling to your opinion despite the facts. enjoy it -- and stay off of all juries, please

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12