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Good photoshopping on that Hunger Games poster, there is no way that tiny Peeta could overtower JLaw.

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Is it just me, or is Jennifer Lawrence looking waxier and weirder every day? Even in candids it really looks like she is wrecking her face with fillers or some shit.
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1974 someone used satellite time and brain cephalics (same thing), to view me, in 19764
The sound of the BR

Luci, thanks for straightening me out about the soccer player. I had no idea I had mixed up two people (didn't know there were two!) and morphed them into one being. And thank you for your comment prior to that. You tell it like it is. ♥
CIJ has a habit of getting up on her soapbox regarding subjects about which she is ignorant. Christine the Hoff is a recovering alcoholic and while I don't know if she did or does attend AA, her struggles to get sober are incredible. I imagine if she reads this thread, she'll have something very heartfelt to say.

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Regarding spirituality in AA, and alcohol abuse treatment:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21158876
"Results revealed AA was also consistently associated with better subsequent alcohol outcomes, which was partially mediated by increases in spirituality."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19016170
"Both peer helping and 12-step involvement predicted higher odds of sobriety across follow-ups; helping showed an indirect effect on sobriety via 12-step involvement."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21683048
"Changes in daily spiritual experiences, purpose in life, a general measure of forgiveness, and negative religious coping also predicted favorable drinking outcomes."

.....so yeah, for some people, AA really does work. Generally, these studies indicate that people who keep up with spiritual practices (which doesn't necessarily correlate with *religious* practices) have greater odds of achieving sobriety. I personally know two people who've turned their lives around as a result of attending meetings. I also know one who, sadly, relapsed and the prognosis is not good.

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Submitted by RandéSleepover on Sat, 02/23/2013 - 12:22am.

Maybe the most harrowing account of alcoholism, and how AA helped beat it, is the brilliant "Drinking: A Love Story," by Caroline Knapp. (I recall folks talking about it on this here site before.)
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True, fantastic book. I've reread it several times. She died after writing it at a relatively young age, around 42 I think, of lung cancer. How sad that was that she finally overcame her addiction and was killed by cancer. :(

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Submitted by Dog on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 9:42pm.
There is an English footballer whose names escapes me but his drinking was so bad, he had t have a liver transplant and yet he kept right on drinking. I read he has been reduced to waiting on the steps for his favorite pub to open and he stays there drinking until they close. He will never be sober until he decides it's what he wants.

There are two: George Best, who had the liver transplant and carried on drinking until he destroyed the new liver within three years and died in 2005; and Paul Gascoigne, who hasn't had a transplant (yet) and sits on pub doorsteps waiting for the doors to open - he recently got put in rehab and had to be hospitalised (intensive care) after the first day, because his withdrawal was so bad.

Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 9:03pm.
Why are you taking it so personally, Dog? And by the way, you don't know me at all, so don't act like you do.

Maybe because YOU took a shit on her sister's job with the unnecessary insult about "church basement" and "living proof". And YOU go out of your way to act like you know people here while throwing around your own insults using whatever little information you happen to know about them.

If there is no standard "pill" to cure alcoholism, would you rather alcoholics got tossed out into the street than into an AA meeting? There are psychological issues which also need to be resolved for an alcoholic to recover and AA is a form of therapy that is FREE. The feeling of isolation underlines just about every psychological problem, and AA provides solidarity. I can't comment on its effectiveness, but neither can you - because NONE of those sources you posted are remotely reliable (although "science based medicine" gave me a good laugh, since it is somebody's personal blog!) so you can stop Googling frantically now.

I just cannot even imagine them in bed together. When does she make the smooth transition to poppin' the Australian?

The third movie?

Cuz this looks like pedophilia, a la Justin and Selena.

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Submitted by Bigbendy on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 7:06pm.

LOL I thought it was him at first, but on closer inspection I figured this guy's NOSE is too small to be Gandy's...

*slaps self 20 times*

Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:09pm.
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I know. The government uses the arguement that it saves money so that people who do not know the difference or anything about public policy will buy it. Yes, it seems cheaper on the surface, but relapse over and over again (which, yes, I know is just a fact of any mental illness including addictions) will ultimately cost the taxpayer much more. In more ways than one might think. Crime, divorce, not being able to keep a job etc. all cost the taxpayer more. Of course, the government has been letting faith groups try to cover those holes in our society for ages cause they do not want to pay for it and have convinced much of the population that it is not worth paying for, which is sad really. I think it's great really that religion or AA works for many people and will celebrate that whenever someone beats addiction using those methods, but it is not the blanket answer for everyone. And, yeah, like others have pointed out ......how very ignorant in what is supposed to be a secular society that let's everyone practice whatever faith they fancy would a judge prescribe this? Makes no sense. But perhaps there are other options suggested. I don't know.
Anyway, I don't want to get too much off on any rant. I work in a non-profit and volunteer with many in the mental health field (many clients also have addiction issues) and I see each and every day how the system is broken, how everyone knows it's broken and nothing is ever done about it. Moving away from institutionalization so far has been a failure. I see people who are being treated for schizophrenia who can get lower cost housing, but if they have schizophrenia and concurrent pain prescription addiction, then they are out on the street. How does that help anyone??

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Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 9:03pm.

Nobody would even consider sending a cancer or diabetes patient to only a support group meeting. However, doctors do that to addicts all the time.

Right on. Maybe chemo would help alcoholics.
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what people don't realize is that for a lot of us, our spirit is diseased as well. you don't get spiritual treatment in a clinical setting, which leaves some addicts/alcoholics bereft.

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wow i'm glad i missed this fucked up conversation because aa saved my life. it works for people that want it to work. it's not for everyone. there are a lot of people that stay sober through aa. go to a few speaker meetings and then come back and judge it. until then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. not everyone needs medical treatment - we work our asses off on our own. like i said, go to a few meetings before you judge something you know nothing about.

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Bronson McDrunktard needs to go back to school! Not one but TWO incorrect uses of "there" in his derpy statement. Drunk, sloppy, and stoopid. Ugh

Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 9:03pm.

Nobody would even consider sending a cancer or diabetes patient to only a support group meeting. However, doctors do that to addicts all the time.

Right on. Maybe chemo would help alcoholics.

Maybe the most harrowing account of alcoholism, and how AA helped beat it, is the brilliant "Drinking: A Love Story," by Caroline Knapp. (I recall folks talking about it on this here site before.)

I'm not a proponent for AA; I'm just saying that it helps some people--people who want to be helped. It sure works better than some sunny retreat by the beach with feel-good, demand-free therapy.

I heard Adam Carolla talking about his bud Dr. Drew and what Drew said in response to those who malign him when one of his patients, like Mindy McCready, fails or dies. Drew said that no one faults the cancer doc when a grievously ill patient relapses and dies; addicts, said Drew, are just as hopelessly ill.

No one is forcing anyone to go to AA meetings. It's part of a plea deal to avoid going to jail. If the DUI/publicly intoxicated offender doesn't want the deal, then he can choose jail. I seriously doubt the prosecution and the judge that signs off on AA believes it will help either. But they have to save tax dollars and mete out some sort of punishment to show the rest of us-LAW ABIDING CITIZENS THAT STAY HOME AND GET WASTED-that they're doing something to validate their existence. Sad to say but they're just going through the motions. And AA doesn't cost the taxpayer any money. And while I'm on my soapbox ranting about how we are all fucked- the subject of which treatment is best-12 steps vs. a muliple medical discipline approach-its ALL BULLSHIT if you don't want to get sober. The power lies within you, not the treatment program you choose or the choice you plea deal allows. These Hollywood "stars" are just dumb as fuck. The smart thing to do is to STFU when arrested, plead guilty before going to trial, and then take the JAIL SENTENCE-which because CA. is bankrupt, it would only be a few days at most. But they all have to call into TMZ and go on twitter to proclaim their innocence to their "fans", only to take a plea deal which puts them on a hamster wheel jumping through hoops for years. Just do the time and get it over with. Why waste the time/money going to rehab or AA to avoid going to jail for a few days-especially if you have no desire to get sober.

Argh, that looks like Swifty's next album cover. Hunger Noooooooooooo!

The Berry's Shirtless Friday *licks screen on the way down and on the way up*

That is the crappiest Oscar gift bag EVER! Wtf?

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Brooke Mueller doesn't look good but I can't believe she's even looking this okay, considering the crap she does to her body! Ethan Hawke looks waaaaay more like a crack addict than she does!

Although the Supreme Court has yet to rule on this question, at least three federal courts of appeal have held that requiring a person to attend Alcoholic Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous (NA) violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Regarding the mandatory court-ordered AA meetings; it is possible that the judge offered the defendant options for the treatment program and they chose AA. Once that was the accepted choice, it was made part of the ruling. Things like this can happen.

I also agree that any worship-based treatment or facility should not be court-ordered in the USA. If this was their choice, however, I can understand the court order to complete it for a certain length or duration.

Submitted by saltydog on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 9:19pm.

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave your name in there and hadn't even read what you wrote. I was referring to CIJ when she said AA is "bullshit".

1) AA was founded on Christian principles which is why they refer to God in the Serenity Prayer. AA meetings refer more emphatically to one's "higher power" as the one who helps you through. Your higher power is just whoever you believe it to be, be it God, Jesus, Allah, etc.

2) I agree. If I'm an alcoholic and haven't reached my rock bottom yet, some jackass in a black robe forcing me to go to meetings most likely won't force me to stop drinking. Yes, there's a chance it could happen because anything is possible, but then again if it is jail or AA, I'm going to AA and playing along.

3) The courts can order AA to cough up information because they are not considered a medical institution therefore, HIPAA laws do not apply. It's anonymous for a reason but hiding behind that will only get you as far as a court order. All of that "what's said in the meeting stays in the meeting" is about as secure as setting your FB account to private and relying on people not to repeat what they see. What actor? Sorry, maybe I'm dense but I can't find your original post.

I think ordering someone to rehab, be it AA or an in-patient place, does no good if the person truly doesn't want help. Like BloHan, you could put her in a lockdown rehab for a year but since she doesn't think she has a problem so why should she quit, it won't work. There is an English footballer whose names escapes me but his drinking was so bad, he had t have a liver transplant and yet he kept right on drinking. I read he has been reduced to waiting on the steps for his favorite pub to open and he stays there drinking until they close. He will never be sober until he decides it's what he wants.

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AA seems to work for some people. I can name a fishing skipper and plumber I know well who've been sober for years after AA. Neither one is especially religious.

The book "Lit" by Mary Karr is a grueling, ultimately victorious account of how AA helped her. (She grew up Southern Baptist or something, left the church, then converted to Catholicism as part of AA.)

Salty:
I think the reason courts force AA on substance-abusing criminals has to do with the fact that US medicine doesn't know what else to do with them. 12-step is by far the most used model for treatment programs, even though it has a huge failure rate.

@Dog - I never said I don't think AA is capable of helping anyone, though I do think there are many better treatment options out there. My issue is that I don't think the court should have the authority to order people to go.

1) The program has religious aspects and I feel that is a violation of the first amendment for the government to order people to go.

2) The program is designed for people who want to quit, forcing people to go against their will is not in the spirit of that.

3) The group has ANONYMOUS in it's name, they just published this actor's name and picture saying he is attending which violates the anonymity of the program, as does making people verify before the court where and when they went to these supposedly anonymous meetings.

Why so dramatic, people? This is why I rarely post around here.

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Why are you taking it so personally, Dog? And by the way, you don't know me at all, so don't act like you do. I'm saying that people should demand more evidence-based treatment. I do not see how that is shaming the addict, or whatever you said. I'm sure your sister and people like her believe they are doing good work. Good for them. Too bad it doesn't work for most people.

Addicts need more than a support group. They need real, evidence-based treatment because it is a real disease that can be fatal. Nobody would even consider sending a cancer or diabetes patient to only a support group meeting. However, doctors do that to addicts all the time. I'm saying they deserve more than that. I'm saying their lives are worth saving!

edit: And I'll shoot my mouth off whenever I know what I have to say is worth saying. And I don't need your permission, TVM.

He looks fine, she looks derpy. Underwhelming poster. I'm still ambivalent about J.Law, but I'm really leaning more towards positive. Nevertheless, still think she was an inappropriate casting choice for the movie. Book was good. First movie was better than I expected, but better than I was expecting was nevertheless mediocre.

Hutcherson has such a good face, and it doesn't matter that much that he's short, but I find his teeny weeny tiny feet distracting and slightly unattractive.

Have to agree with Aphid saying that Jennifer looks very "corn fed." She's relatable and definitely attractive, but in a less glamorous way.

Does Taylor Swift use the Guardian newspaper's "New Band Of The Day" for potential foreign up-and-coming "hot" boys she can date/ditch/diss? Record labels should include her on band's electronic web as one of the ways *not* to look cool.

I hope the next dude she dates is Kanye. The immediate impact of that would make that Siberian meteor look like a pebble skipping across a puddle in comparison.

Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:47pm.
Dog:

More proof:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aa-is-faith-based-not-evid...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=does-rehab-work

That's four reliable sources I've quoted so far. You want more?

AA does help a few people. Very few. It has about the same recovery rate as people who quit on their own. And what I said about doctors sending addicts to church basements is absolutely true. Your sister is living proof.

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Stop shooting off your mouth, CIJ. AA helps many people which is quite a bit more than "very few". People like you who associate AA with church basements only help to perpetuate addiction as something to be ashamed of. "Church" doesn't equal "basement" but those who have meetings there have nothing to apologize for. At least churches are trying to help. The group my sister is a part of is in a community center, so lay off the stereotypes. You obviously have no concept of how much courage it takes for someone to walk through those doors.

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Dog:

More proof:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aa-is-faith-based-not-evid...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=does-rehab-work

That's four reliable sources I've quoted so far. You want more?

AA does help a few people. Very few. It has about the same recovery rate as people who quit on their own. And what I said about doctors sending addicts to church basements is absolutely true. Your sister is living proof.

Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:30pm.

First off, you cited one 3 year old article. Second, have you ever been to a twelve step meeting? Go some time and listen to the stories and how many people credit AA with saving their lives. Nothing is 100% successful. And like I said, you have to want it and be willing to work for it. That goes for a twelve step in a "church basement" (which in itself is a ridiculous thing to say) or a $4000 per week rehab.

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Submitted by Dog on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:25pm.
I don't know why you would say such a thing.
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I do. Because it's TRUE. I backed up what I said with references and facts. And another reason I'm saying it is because the medical community seems to have given up on these people--they just send them to church basements--instead of forging ahead in finding a cure, when this can be a life-or-death issue.

Dinner is in half an hour...you just ruined it for me, Dog. *shakes head*

"Let them all boil in their own hotdog juice." Deb 7/2012

Submitted by Gardening Girl on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:24pm.
Oh my god, Dog! *gags*

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Gives you pause when you want to clutch your pearls, doesn't it?

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Submitted by crazyinjapan on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:09pm.
Salty Dog and Daniee: AA is bullshit.

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Really. Wrong. My sister is a counselor at our church's recovery group and I can tell you that AA DOES work. Like anything else, the addict has to want to quit and be willing to work at it. I don't know why you would say such a thing.

As far as Dr. Drew goes, he's a hack who doesn't give a crap about his so-called patients. He just cares about keeping his face in front of the cameras. In his defense, which gags me, if a person who is trying to stay clean goes right back to the environment that enables them, no amount of intervention will help.

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Oh my god, Dog! *gags*

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Submitted by Gardening Girl on Fri, 02/22/2013 - 8:15pm.
I want to kick #4's ass...what a douche.

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You don't find a guy gumming used anal beads sessy?

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I want to kick #4's ass...what a douche.

"Let them all boil in their own hotdog juice." Deb 7/2012

Salty Dog and Daniee: AA is bullshit. It angers me that the substance abuse treatment machine has just taken this 80-year-old program that does not use or employ medical treatment or medical professionals and made it into practically the only way an addict can get treatment. It's like the medical community just gave up, or maybe they don't care because "they're just crackheads and drunks and deserve what they get." AA doesn't work. More people quit on their own than with 12-step programs. And AA uses its anonymity principle to keeps researchers and statisticians from getting the real numbers on how many people it actually helps.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR201008...
Just look at Celebrity Rehab. Five people dead. What a fucking disgrace. Hang up your hats, Dr. Drew and weirdo Bob. You failed in a big way. But you won't--no, you'll just blame it on your patients for not being good enough.

Edited for spelling and to add: A recent review by the Cochrane Library, a health-care research group, of studies on alcohol treatment conducted between 1966 and 2005 states its results plainly: "No experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA or TSF [12-step facilitation] approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or problems."

I know Josh Hutcherson is just barely legal but the things I would do with Peeta if I had the chance! It is just a damn shame.

Signed, Dirty Cougar

Guess I'm the only one that thinks Tina Fey is way over rated. Now, Amy Poehler ... THAT'S talent! LOVE her.

TEAM LET'S KILL BIEBER!!!

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TEAM TINA!!!

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Luce, why LOL at #5?!!!!! That is KING GANDY!!!!

#29 on The Berry. WTH kind of pose is that? Not hot.

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I knew JLaw was doing ads for Dior. Meh. Still like her though.

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*points and laughs at Blohan*

deserves the Cracken right.

Hunger Games is definitely a book(s) that IMO, didn't go over well at all in film format.

SaltyDog -ITA with you! There really ought to be mandatory(you play of you're rich) outpatient services that people of no faith can truly benefit from. AA, NA etc. just doesn't work with many people because of it. Addiction intervention and treatment is very outdated.

Speaking of which ....Brooke Mueller/Melissa Etheridge! Hahahaha!!