Agree To Disagree
John McCain is on Ellen Degeneres' show today (taped yesterday) and she brought up the subject of gay marriage. Dun dun dun! Ellen started by saying that she wanted to address " the elephant in the room." I was expecting Mike Huckabee to come out with glazed donuts. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Johnny doesn't believe in gay marriage. Duh. Ellen used the opportunity to voice her opinion, "I think that it is looked at and some people are saying the same that blacks and women did not have the right to vote. Women just got the right to vote in 1920. Blacks didn't have the right to vote till 1870. It just feels like there's this old way of thinking (that) we are not all the same. We are all the same people. All of us. You're no different than I am. Our love is the same." Ellen is right. We are all the same people. Well, except for Paris Hilton. She's a dirty animal.
Ellen went on to say, " It sounds to me like saying well you can sit there (points in one direction), you just can't sit there (points in another direction). That's what it sounds like to me. It doesn't feel inclusive. It feels isolated. It feels like we aren't owed the same things and the same wording."
John responded, "I've heard you articulate that position in a very eloquent fashion. We just have a disagreement and I, along with many, many others wish you every happiness." Lies.
Ellen finished with a joke, "Thank you. So you'll walk me down the aisle? Is that what you said?"
McCain doesn't believe in gay marriage and I don't believe in him. We're even. And to think, I was going to invite his pasty ass to my upcoming Xanadu-themed California wedding. I really wanted to see him in velour chocha cutters and roller skates. He can stop checking the mail for his invitation! It ain't coming.
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People need to stop using religion as an excuse to interfere in this whole marriage argument, it stopped being a religious institution a long time ago.
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Fandango - I am an ignorancephobe!! God help me. ;)
ricky - As you WELL know, the stupidity is astounding. I was molested and I'm straight, like grown up men, and don't pet my cat's no-no regions. I guess we're a couple of real oddities, you and I. *rolls eyes*
Just remember, women voting or owning property used to be proposterous. Gays will get this and many other overdue rights eventually.
Submitted by Collygula on May 22, 2008 - 4:09pm.
yes!
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Submitted by ricki lake on May 22, 2008 - 3:06pm.
It's funny, as a gay man I've miraculously never been molested, touched a child, or fucked a dog. Funny how that works, 'cause they all go hand in hand, right?
People are entitled to their own opinions. However, they're not entitled to let those opinions stand in the way of how I live my life. You know why McCain IS wrong and I am right? Because I'm not trying to deprive anyone of rights. The only 'decent' argument you can have against gay marriage is religion - even many conservatives acknowledge this. Just because you're obsessed with a fictional best-seller written 2,000 years ago and don't have enough of courage or intelligence to survive adulthood without an imaginary friend doesn't fucking mean you have the right to get up all in my face like I'm so evil 'cause I want what everyone else has. Funny how soon they forget that the "traditional," "Biblical" and "sacred" definition of marriage has changed repeatedly throughout history and cultures and that, yes, marriage pre-dates the Bible. SOMETHING EXISTED BEFORE JESUS?!?@# Yes, Sherri Shepard, it fucking did. Crack a book every once in awhile (the Bible is more of an anthology) and learn something before you decide to think, talk, or vote.
Gay marriage is also not at the top of my list of issues this voting cycle, but I don't begrudge those for whom it is. After all, until you're turned away at the hospital and your partner dies alone because they wouldn't let you see him, please, shut the fuck about how pertinent it may be to you. Whether or not it's your #1 issue, it's still important, and no one's saying NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNTIL WE HAVE GAY MARRIAGE FIRST!!!!
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Submitted by ricki lake on May 22, 2008 - 3:06pm.
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What modern 'conservatives' fail to realize is that many Judeo-Christian 'laws' or principals were actually practical advice for nomadic ancient peoples.
For instance the Old Testament forbids the eating of unclean animals (practical for the time as there was no refrigeration and pork is highly susceptible to nasty things like trichinosis).
Homosexuality was likely on the verboten list because higher birthrates meant bigger workforce and more powerful tribes. Again, I am no biblical scholar, but can plainly see that these so called 'religious' laws had a certain usefulness 3000 YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE LIVED IN THE FUCKING DESERT.
Now, not so much.
Fuckerheads who spout off crap from the Bible in order to tell other adult human being what to do need to be lined up and shot.
That is all.
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OMG, I am ashamed to be het. I am not believing gay sex is being equated with incest, bestiality, and pedophelia. I guess there's just no room for normal sexual relations between consenting adults.
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Most pedophiles are straight, white men.
And as for pedophilia and homosexuality, they are two different things! Pedophiles like kids, small hairless people, and alot of them will molest either sex if given the chance because other than hoo has and wing wangs, little boys and girls bodies are the same, small and hairless. Now most pedos are male and hence probably have easier access to little boys, thus they molest little boys more often. Plus many were molested as little boys and tend to reenact the scenarios of their own abuse, hence they often molest the same sex. But it is not homosexuality. Gays like big ole throbbing cocks, sometimes twinks, sometime bears, daddies, screaming queens,but they like big old hard cock not little baby dick. Two different things. Sorry this just pisses me off because it boggles my mind that people care this much to literally kill their livelihoods and the American Dream because Barry likes to play hide the sausage with Steve, and Amy and Jackie run switch with dildoes. If you're not there, you can't see it, it doesn't hurt you or anyone you love, so what the fuck?
It's funny, as a gay man I've miraculously never been molested, touched a child, or fucked a dog. Funny how that works, 'cause they all go hand in hand, right?
People are entitled to their own opinions. However, they're not entitled to let those opinions stand in the way of how I live my life. You know why McCain IS wrong and I am right? Because I'm not trying to deprive anyone of rights. The only 'decent' argument you can have against gay marriage is religion - even many conservatives acknowledge this. Just because you're obsessed with a fictional best-seller written 2,000 years ago and don't have enough of courage or intelligence to survive adulthood without an imaginary friend doesn't fucking mean you have the right to get up all in my face like I'm so evil 'cause I want what everyone else has. Funny how soon they forget that the "traditional," "Biblical" and "sacred" definition of marriage has changed repeatedly throughout history and cultures and that, yes, marriage pre-dates the Bible. SOMETHING EXISTED BEFORE JESUS?!?@# Yes, Sherri Shepard, it fucking did. Crack a book every once in awhile (the Bible is more of an anthology) and learn something before you decide to think, talk, or vote.
Gay marriage is also not at the top of my list of issues this voting cycle, but I don't begrudge those for whom it is. After all, until you're turned away at the hospital and your partner dies alone because they wouldn't let you see him, please, shut the fuck about how pertinent it may be to you. Whether or not it's your #1 issue, it's still important, and no one's saying NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNTIL WE HAVE GAY MARRIAGE FIRST!!!!
Submitted by Fandango on May 22, 2008 - 3:50pm.
And while we're on the subject of marriage, why can't brothers and sisters marry?
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Submitted by Sweetas on May 22, 2008 - 8:42pm.
Dreamy - ack! I had the same effed up conversation with a guy at the break table a couple of days ago. He just kind of threw gays into the deviant group, along with pedos and animal effers. He seriously argued with me that most of them are pedophiles since most homosexuals were molested as youngsters. I was floored. Ignorance.
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Really? Fuck. What pisses me off the most about these people is that you KNOW they're going to have kids and these kids are going to grow up hearing shit like that and believing it's true, thus the cycle of ignoranace continues. If someone were to say something like that to me today, I would point out that creepy guy in Austria is staight and a pedo. Fucking dumbasses.
~*~Lisa: Mom, romance is dead. It was acquired in a hostile takeover by Hallmark and Disney, homogenized, and sold off piece by piece.~*~
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If you think John McCain isn't just "telling people what they want to hear", I have a dirty used Brit Brit tampon to sell you!
He knows his base is a bunch of morons that consistently vote against their best interests because they are too busy being homophobic and bigoted. John McCain doesn't care about much more than money, power, and bloody warfare using the broken bodies of his voter base's kids.
You don't have to "believe" (retarded word, for is better) in gay marriage, but it doesn't affect you. Either abolish the special tax breaks and other civil considerations for married couples or let homos get hitched! I don't understand the big fucking deal, it does not affect you personally, so why the fuck do these homophobes care so damn much?
Oh, and I'm a Catholic, heterosexual, Caribbean woman with some damn common sense.
Fuck John McCain aka Dubya 2 but smarter...that is some scary ass shit. Oh and to all the American Taliban (the G.O.P. workmule base) if you think the Republican party is going to give you everything you want (the right to control others bodies and lives), you got another thing coming. They are going to keep dangling these stupid wedge issues under your willfully dumb ass noses to keep you voting your pockets dry, your kids into coffins, your insurance dead, your retirement into nonexistence and your towns into dustbowls.
"Submitted by waterbucket on May 22, 2008 - 2:49pm.
Hi Ellen, I'm John McCain. You're good enough for me to come and use you to get some votes by you're not good enough to get married. Deal with it, bitch. I'm protecting the sanctity of marriage for my politician friends who are either closeted homos or cheating on their wives."
Why are you a John McCainophobe?
"Submitted by Sweetas on May 22, 2008 - 2:42pm.
Dreamy - ack! I had the same effed up conversation with a guy at the break table a couple of days ago. He just kind of threw gays into the deviant group, along with pedos and animal effers. He seriously argued with me that most of them are pedophiles since most homosexuals were molested as youngsters. I was floored. Ignorance."
Why are you an ignoranceophobe?
And while we're on the subject of marriage, why can't brothers and sisters marry? Why not grandmothers and grand daughters?
Let everybody marry! fuck it!
Hi Ellen, I'm John McCain. You're good enough for me to come and use you to get some votes by you're not good enough to get married. Deal with it, bitch. I'm protecting the sanctity of marriage for my politician friends who are either closeted homos or cheating on their wives.
Submitted by Kizzy on May 22, 2008 - 3:19pm.
I have been trying to figure that out myself.
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"Paris Hilton is like a bowling ball: she's picked up, fingered, and thrown in the gutter." - von3248 (1/12/08)
I vote for the person who wants to make taxes and government smaller.
all the other issues are unimportant.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:41pm.
I like New Zealand, but I think I would just move back to our flat in Europe
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Man she's no lady she's my wife
Dreamy - ack! I had the same effed up conversation with a guy at the break table a couple of days ago. He just kind of threw gays into the deviant group, along with pedos and animal effers. He seriously argued with me that most of them are pedophiles since most homosexuals were molested as youngsters. I was floored. Ignorance.
Submitted by Mrs.Kravitz on May 22, 2008 - 12:36pm.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:32pm.
Somewhere over the rianbow
Way up high
There's a land that I dreamed of
Once in a lullaby.
Pudge wants to move to New Zealand
I ♥ kiwis
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"Somewhere over the rainbow" THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAVORITE SONG OF ALL TIME. How did you know? I think we are close to the same age : )
I like New Zealand, but I think I would just move back to our flat in Europe and people watch until I turn 65. All we want is for gas to be lower and the war to end, ok I have much longer list and it is Somewhere over the rainbow.
I hate this. I hate this. I hate this.
Everyone has caught on to my agenda.
First, I'm going to marry another guy.
Then, I'm going to want to marry a farm animal...
and AFTER THAT, I'm going to marry a transgendered farm animal.
Or I could skip steps one and two and ask Paris to marry me.
Submitted by NotsoAnonymous on May 22, 2008 - 2:22pm.
Hey friends... I won't be around for the next couple of days.
I'm going to bail my fiance, Blacky the donkey, out of a Mexican jail.
Adios.
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Off Topic: Tell Blacky I said "sup".
On Topic: Republicans never cease to amaze me. They put up this conservative front, but are letting crazy things go on in the back room.
...He was like, "I need money." I was like "N*gga, Me Too!". And we been together ever since!-- How High
So ok, John McCain, he's a politician of the days of yore.
Reality check, in coming years politicians, presidents, etc..., will be from OUR generations.
We whom grew up on Nintendo, INHALED, went through rehab, are divorced and remarried with multiple children and blended families, people whom have EXPERIENCED some living and have some real insight into this country's true soul and meaning.
I look forward to public officials who can actually relate instead of back pedaling to hide their misgivings and perils of their past. They will own up to them instead.
Gay marriage will happen, regardless. And not for insurance but because it's human.
Two people, that's all it's about, two HUMAN PEOPLE.
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"Just be advised Nicky half of these bitches are mean so be careful dear."
"LOVE ANGELINA"
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:32pm.
Somewhere over the rianbow
Way up high
There's a land that I dreamed of
Once in a lullaby.
Pudge wants to move to New Zealand
I ♥ kiwis
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All I know is I'm the one who pays her price
Man she's no lady she's my wife
I don't believe in right wing nut jobs who try to impose their closeted "morality" on the rest of us! Hmmph.
A little dick never hurt any body McCain!
Your wife told us that!
stoopid joke from me :(
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Submitted by Gabriela on May 22, 2008 - 3:28pm.
Marriage has religious connotations and therefore our secular Goverment should not officiate in such matters, at all, but should grant only civil unions to all couples same sex or otherwise. Couples are then free to sanction their unions as marriage through the church, if they choose.
I agree with you 100%.
While I agree that there are a lot of very important issues world-wide, McCain is gunning to be the next AMERICAN President. Where he stands on domestic issues (abortion, gay rights, illegal immigration, etc.) is a damn big deal to some of us. He won't get my vote for several reasons. I really don't think we need another good-ole boy bigot in the White House. That's coming from a straight female, BTW.
McCain is a ignornant fuck. I hate people like him.
A frown ass woman in her 40's who bragged about going to University told me TO MY FACE (I'm Bisexual) "Gay people should not be allowed to marry or adopt because all gay people are pedos". She meant it as well. i enjoyed bitch slapping the ignornant slut. By the time I was done telling her EXCATLY what I thought of her she was weeping mess.
~*~Lisa: Mom, romance is dead. It was acquired in a hostile takeover by Hallmark and Disney, homogenized, and sold off piece by piece.~*~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlwawoExZzU
Submitted by Mrs.Kravitz on May 22, 2008 - 12:29pm.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:25pm.
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Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:12pm.
I daydream of leaving America ha ha ha.
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I know a place where dreams are born
And time is never planned
It's not on any chart
You must find it with your heart
Never never land
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Well I don't do drugs, maybe I should : )
Submitted by missy on May 22, 2008 - 3:25pm.
I dont know how you put up with that ass, but good luck.
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1) He's a farm animal.
2) He's good for a roll in the hay.
I guess this means McCain won't be picking Mary Cheney as his running mate.
Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 12:26pm.
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Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 12:05pm.
2. i dont read the bible or go to church.
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Well, there's yer problem, right there.
YOU ARE A SINNER
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I hope! That means i probably enjoyed my life ;)
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I dont read the bible or go to church. I think organized religion is part magic and part myth.
I do believe that there is something in charge of all this tho.
...He was like, "I need money." I was like "N*gga, Me Too!". And we been together ever since!-- How High
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:25pm.
Submitted by Mrs.Kravitz on May 22, 2008 - 12:23pm.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:12pm.
I daydream of leaving America ha ha ha.
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I know a place where dreams are born
And time is never planned
It's not on any chart
You must find it with your heart
Never never land
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All I know is I'm the one who pays her price
Man she's no lady she's my wife
Submitted by Devore on May 22, 2008 - 2:25pm.
at least ellen agreed to have his ass on the show despite their great difference of opinion.
i think its true what some have said:
at the same time homosexuals are castigated for having a promiscuous "lifestyle", the privilege of marriage is being withheld for those homosexuals who wish to marry their life partner.
makes
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Heaven help us if she becomes the First Lady, and we will have to see her skank face. Go Ellen, you deserve much better than this old melt down of a man!
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well, at least she doesnt hate america.
Marriage has religious connotations and therefore our secular Goverment should not officiate in such matters, at all, but should grant only civil unions to all couples same sex or otherwise. Couples are then free to sanction their unions as marriage through the church, if they choose.
"Society sooner or later must return to its lost leader,the cultured and fascinating liar. . ."
Oscar Wilde
Submitted by NotsoAnonymous on May 22, 2008 - 3:22pm.
That mean ass fiance of yours is always getting his ass in trouble...you're so sweet to bail his ass out...you're a saint for putting up with his ass...
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Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 12:19pm.
i cant vote just on one issue. i have to take many things into account.
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That makes you an intelligent voter! However, there are many mnay people who ARE single issue voters which is why gay marriage has become so politicized.
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All I know is I'm the one who pays her price
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Ellen should have smacked the old fool upside the head - maybe the Manchurian chip would have dislodged.
perhaps the Repugnants should worry about cleaning up their own depraved party members who seemingly have no respect for their own marriages and wives.
No feminist in her right mind should vote for the man who calls his wife a CUNT and would fill a SCOTUS that will overturn Roe v. Wade
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Submitted by Mrs.Kravitz on May 22, 2008 - 2:18pm.
Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 12:05pm.
2. i dont read the bible or go to church.
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I hope! That means i probably enjoyed my life ;)
Submitted by Mrs.Kravitz on May 22, 2008 - 12:23pm.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:12pm.
I just see so many more things that are much more important than gay marriage.
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No one is saying it is the most important issue, however, it has become a very polticized issue and this is an election year.
It's all about marketing.
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Yup, Obama will dance to any tune and McCain I don't know, what do you do. I daydream of leaving America ha ha ha.
at least ellen agreed to have his ass on the show despite their great difference of opinion.
i think its true what some have said:
at the same time homosexuals are castigated for having a promiscuous "lifestyle", the privilege of marriage is being withheld for those homosexuals who wish to marry their life partner.
makes
no
sense.
Submitted by NotsoAnonymous on May 22, 2008 - 2:22pm.
Hey friends... I won't be around for the next couple of days.
I'm going to bail my fiance, Blacky the donkey, out of a Mexican jail.
Adios.
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I dont know how you put up with that ass, but good luck.
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Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 2:19pm.
thanks for your apology; it was very considerate :)
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Submitted by pinkdoodoo2 on May 22, 2008 - 2:10pm.
But the bible also says something about a burning bush. And if I were to interpret that I think they were trying to say that Moses had an STD?
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I hear he fooled around with Paris Hilton's ancestors. Bad Moses! Bad!!
OMFG ha ha ha ha ha ha, that was funny.
Submitted by Who Cares on May 22, 2008 - 12:12pm.
I just see so many more things that are much more important than gay marriage.
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No one is saying it is the most important issue, however, it has become a very polticized issue and this is an election year.
It's all about marketing.
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All I know is I'm the one who pays her price
Man she's no lady she's my wife
Hey friends... I won't be around for the next couple of days.
I'm going to bail my fiance, Blacky the donkey, out of a Mexican jail.
Adios.
Hey pinkdoodoo2, watch your spelling. There is a "rat" in "separation." And with regard to McCain, he is no angel. He was married when he started screwing around with that frozen faced Cindy, you know, the one with all the millions! Heaven help us if she becomes the First Lady, and we will have to see her skank face. Go Ellen, you deserve much better than this old melt down of a man!
Submitted by pinkdoodoo2 on May 22, 2008 - 2:10pm.
But the bible also says something about a burning bush. And if I were to interpret that I think they were trying to say that Moses had an STD?
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I hear he fooled around with Paris Hilton's ancestors. Bad Moses! Bad!!
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Submitted by amle on May 22, 2008 - 2:09pm.
honey bear, Im not laughing at you. (may I call you honey bear?)
My opinion is very strong on this one. The argument of incestual and beatiality marriages being the logical next step is to me, the most ILLOGICAL, nonsensical counter-point ever.
It is also the ONLY argument that I have gotten from conservatives on this subject.
I really want to truly understand why conservatives are so illogical on this one.
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i am not a conservative either. i just do not care for any of the democrats this time around. gay rights is just not at the top of my priority list. i just think between john and barack, the choice is easy. i vote for who i think would be the best president. i have voted for a bill clinton and i voted for a bush. i just believe mccain is the most qualified this time around. i cant vote just on one issue. i have to take many things into account.
i do want to apologize for the beastiality and incest thing. i truly and sorry. i regretted it the moment i pressed post.