Julian King's Body Positively Identified

Lizzie, thank you for the major good points you have brought up in this serious and sad discussion.

Submitted by angel_i on October 28, 2008 - 12:26pm.

I expect you know more than me- in the UK the rap we get from the US pretty much all 'fuck you up you ho, look at my bling, my gun , my cock and fuck etc' It all seems to be misogynistic, crime glorifying toss to me but I am a past it white woman so I guess it’s not aimed at me.

If you are right and there is much more interesting rap out there I don’t come across it and I think this is because the idiot rappers keep young, impressionable people down more effectively than crack in the water pipes. Why oppress people who can do it themselves?

As I said on another thread I have just quit the criminal justice system after 13 years. I tell you what, one of the saddest sights I saw, week in , week out was British kids- mostly black but some white and some Asian (I think in the US Asian means something else- here it’s people from India, Pakistan etc) modelling themselves on US gangstas. It’s fucking laughable to hear someone who grew up in London banging on about respect (i.e. fear me) and affecting an accent the like of which I haven’t heard since Ali G.. I used to say, if you are going to fake an identity, how about one that might do you good.

Poor bloody kids really, the ones who think they are so tough and their victims. Obviously my sympathy goes most to the victims as they had no choice in the awful events but celebrating such a worthless culture does nobody any good.

Thanks for the interesting thoughts.

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2. You know who's a cool rapper? Ice-T. He manages to strike a balance...he taps into the consciousness that exists with his bling and his floozy gf and his "fuck the cops" but then helps raise those fools up with stuff like his image on SVU being VERY socially conscious... and he lives pretty quietly - you know - he doesn't get shot. Like that.

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@lizzieb.

You hate rap?!?!

Seriously, tho - lemme give you this:

I asked the kids what they thought "ghetto" means. They thought it was a place that bad black people lived - one even said: Jamaican.

I tried to explain to them how they're perceptions have been manipulated. "Ghetto" means "foundry" (Metal factory or some shit) and it's where the Germans forced the Jews to live - near the foundry - so they just called it that. It has nothing, at all, to do with black people.

I'm not digressing, swear. Its the same with rap. The earliest "rap" I know is "Whitey on the Moon"

A rat done bit my sister Nell
And whitey's on the moon
Her face and hands began to swell
And whitey's on the moon.

To me - rap is supposed to be political.
Grand Masta Flash, RunDMC, Slick Rick (Children's Story was all about not getting caught up in crime).Forceful and intelligent. I posted lyrics to "Colors" on one of these threads. I'll always think of that as the beginning of the popularity of Gangsta Rap. There are still SO many socially conscious, musical, intelligent rappers out there but they never catch a break. Why? Because our perceptions are still being manipulated.

Also, Will Smith started as a rapper;p But same thing - he likely knew he wasn't going anywhere because 1. He wasn't very good (lol) BUT 2. He doesn't want to swear.

Also, ITA about the guns.

And hey, thanks for waking my brain up, today:)

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Submitted by angel_i on October 28, 2008 - 10:32am.

@ Angel-i. That’s really interesting, I had never thought if it that way. The idea that women , consciously or unconsciously choose questionable men to prove they can commit is one I shall think about. It is ringing a few bells when I think of some of the choices I’ve seen otherwise together people make.

As for what you are saying about ghetto life I do know what you mean. I grew up on a council estate, which I think approximates to the projects (or section 8?) and I am considered posh for moving out of London to ,in my view, a better place for my kids.

I looked at the suspected killers Myspace too and, I don’t know, how could someone who seems normal enough do that? Was it Julia’s fame by proxy that attracted him? Did he think Jennifer was going to bank roll whatever his ambitions were? Why do young America men (and it’s becoming increasingly common here amongst black British men)want to be gangstas? I bet I get my head bitten off for this but I hate rap. The people who made millions swaggering about under the weight of their gold and money should hang their heads in shame as they are no better than Uncle Toms, acting out the worst scary black man fears of the white man. It takes far more guts to be Will Smith , although I reserve the right to delete this if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt he’s CO$.

Last but not least. There has been some talk here about US guns laws with us Brits taking the moral high ground as we tend to do. But if it wasn’t so damn easy to get a gun what might have happened. As the lovely Eddie Izzard said “ Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. However the guns help. Running into a room and shouting bang doesn’t have the same effect’

It’s all so messy and awful. Sad.

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Submitted by lizzieb on October 28, 2008 - 9:31am.

Well said.

@miso-horny:

Looking at her myspace page it seemed to me like she was pretty "tough". I put that in quotations because I don't think she really was - I think, in her mind, it's the way to be. I think she's tryna get through it. It takes time for shit like this to really sink in.

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Submitted by lizzieb on October 28, 2008 - 9:31am.
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I would never, ever call you an ugly super-mom! Never! I totally get what you're saying. I guess I'm just saying is that people are not just magically going to start figuring shit out - they need help. Having hung with the kids in the ghetto (I was never really there - I just liked to cross the tracks...but they still live there!)

I know that just having someone get somewhere in their lives is not enough. When I go back, sometimes to work, they look at me like I'm magic. Like they can't believe I was able to make something of myself - just because they know me from my hoodrat days. They really do believe that nothing ever changes unless you have some kinda magic. It makes me really sad, actually because I watched some beautiful, talented, intelligent people turn into less than nothing over the years. Seriously - I watched eyes sink in and teeth fall out - it's hard.

AND everyone is TOTALLY ignoring the fact they they VERY LIKELY grew up together. No matter how much of a criminal someone is, you see them differently when you've grown together.

In the end - you're right lizzieb - women do need to think. They need support to think that way - good for you for supporting your friend the way you did - there's only so much you can do. I used the "ghetto" reference cuz that's what Julia's got going on - but you're right about that too - people got shit going on at all levels...like with your friend...there is some other issue when a woman lets herself be abused. There is some perception that what she is doing is the right thing. Honestly - with single moms (I'm thinking as I write, btw) - I think it has to do with that "commitment" thing we were talking about the other day. You kinda want to obliterate the perception that you can't commit. You kinda don't want to BE the "single mom". You kinda feel like something's wrong with you like that (especially if you're well-off)...and so you go out of your way to make it clear - I CAN commit. Look how fucked up this guy is and I"m STILL committed - that's how much I can commit, bitches!

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I just looked at her Myspace page. It's full of tacky, mawkish greetings that made me feel depressed. I wonder why the people who have so much faith in an all powerful god are the ones who have had the hardest lives? This maudlin god who takes 'little angels' to his side regardless of the pain it will cause- how can anyone swallow this sentimental, credulous shite? It’s all so sad and it is also sad that had this poor lad not been the nephew of a celebrity I would never have heard about this the other side of the pond. Terrible.

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Submitted by Green Is Good on October 28, 2008 - 8:34am.
Update: http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-jennifer-hudson-1028,0,7284673.story

GIG: That was good. This part was interesting: "Julia Hudson arrived Friday morning at Sunrise Bus Co. on payday and discovered her wages had been garnished because of unpaid car payments. Balfour had taken her car months earlier but promised to make the payments on the vehicle. After seeing her pay stub, Julia Hudson called Balfour to complain about the unpaid bills."

1. That explains where she was when the murders happened. 2. She can't have been shocked at the garnishment: the lender needs a judgment before garnishing; the lender prolly was trying to repo the car for months before.

Two Drink Min,

obviously the meaning of sincere caring is too big a concept for you. personally I have found it heartwarming that so many people here have been so torn up over this. you on the other hand are a petty and small-minded moron. get off the thread if you can't handle the real stuff, and go back your fantasy bubble.

Submitted by angel_i on October 27, 2008 - 7:44pm.
Submitted by M.E. on October 27, 2008 - 7:14pm.

They would if all the men they knew were like that. I think that's part of the problem here. Just cuz Jennifer raised herself up out of the ghetto doesn't mean it's an easy or natural thing for everyone to do.

Hi Angel. I think what you said was interesting but this woman had an Oscar winning actress for a sister- surely she was in a better position than most to move on?

My two pence worth? I was a single parent in the 90s, at the same time as another woman who I had known for years. We both had good jobs and could manage alone. She chose to let a violent alcoholic onto her home, even after we argued because I would not let him take her four year old daughter from my house drunk and driving, because she ‘could change him’ and I was the one with the problem. Two years later having been beaten by him and when her daughter was a nervous wreck she finally saw sense. She did not live in a ghetto, she had a good job but the need to be 'in love' took priority over her own kid. Julia could have said no, she didn't. Loneliness drives people to do stupid things but my view is her 'ghetto' background isn't the all the problem, she chose a man over her kid.
I am NOT saying this to say she deserved her loss, I feel for her and this is an awful, senseless tragedy but maybe a lot of women need to think about what they are doing. Oh and please, don't other posters waste their time calling me an ugly super-‘mom’, nor wishing death on my kids. I have nightmares enough about my kids and need no help.

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there's a special place in the afterlife for this child.

such a tragedy.

my thoughts and prayers are with jennifer and her family during this difficult time.

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What is with the piss and venom on this site anymore? Where am I? JJ on an Angelina thread?
Grow up ppl. Who cares the reason or about parental issues...this is a tragedy. Case closed.

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Update:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-jennifer-hudson-1028,0,7284673.story

edit from previous post: "... I am sickened and distraught over this oh-so-innocent child - his uncle - and his grandmother's murder"...

my God I didn't mean to leave out the brother in this whole tragedy. Rest in Peace, all of you. I do hope you are in a better place than the sick world you apparently were trapped in. :-(

and I do just have to agree that this waste-of-human-flesh piece-of-shit murderer had no business being around that child. If that is someone's fault, then so be it. That is a parent's responsibility, to PROTECT. Leaving a child around a known thug and criminal (attempted MURDER no less) - is hardly protecting a child who cannot fend for himself. God this is just tragic in so many ways.

Submitted by parissucksliterally on October 27, 2008 - 9:53pm.
Why is his weight being discussed? He didn't die of a heart attack, or diabetes- he was MURDERED.
Inappropriate.

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When my cat ran away years ago, I kept going back and looking in all the places I thought he might be hiding. No matter how many times I checked, I kept going back and looking in case he might be there. Given that this was a place she turned to to maybe get answers, I can understand why she might keep returning there. Shock and grief and not wanting to believe the truth can mess with your head. You know what I mean?

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Submitted by Teemie on October 28, 2008 - 3:36am.

Yeah, kinda what they did to William Wallace in ''Braveheart''.

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Submitted by Teemie on October 28, 2008 - 3:31am.

That a good point of view. It is telling of the times we live in where even on the internet you can grieve or destroys reputations. Times are definitely a-changing.

As for myself and a mother of three children, I know that I would not have the strength to be online if, God forbid, and May God watch over my kids,I lost one of mine. I just don't think I can do it.

As she has stated she has many regrets.

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Screw the chair...how about just burying the fucker alive. That is, after the water torture and the castration.

As for Julia's MySpace page, I'm assuming the woman is writing these things in a state of shock. She's probably not all there. To be honest...I just don't know. Nobody can know what she's thinking and feeling right now. And I don't blame her for venting out on MySpace. As ridiculous as this may sound, it's kind of a telling of the times. Her mother, brother, and son were just murdered. Her husband is being held as a suspect. Maybe she doesn't have many people to confide in right now (face to face) on that deep of an emotional level. I can imagine that many people are probably trying to reach out to her and her family, and perhaps writing on her MySpace is the most efficient way of connecting with these people. While it may not be the way some of us would cope with such a tremendous loss, if it's somewhat helping her, than that's all that matters.I don't know. I don't really know what to think.

I just think in that POS' mind he figured the boy was not his son anyway, so why not or leave no witnesses. Either way this guy doesn't deserve the needle, can we bring the chair back?

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I agree. At this particular time, the only person who should be blamed for this family's murder is the one who pulled the trigger.
Nobody knows for certain what was going on with that family. However, I am certain that Julia, Jennifer, and the rest of the Hudson's are in a complete state of shock and agony beyond comprehension. Hopefully, some light will be shed on who will be convicted and what the motives behind these killings were. However, it is so difficult to imagine why someone would even think about killing these people, let alone a young boy.
Tragic events like this happen every day, not only in Chicago, but all over the world. A part of me is hoping whoever killed these 3 people is legally insane...because I can't think of any other fathomable reason for someone to shoot a young innocent boy multiple times. I don't care how fucked up and horrible your life is, if you kill a 7 year old, your either completely and utterly psychotic or just pure evil. uhh...I just don't understand it. This world is messed up.

Submitted by miso-horny on October 28, 2008 - 2:23am.

I just think its ridiculously tragic what has happened and can't find it in me to judge this woman or the choices she makes in dealing with her pain. People cope with grief in their own way, and given her acknowledgement that her choices have cost her her family, I don't even want to imagine the pain she must be in.

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I can't even begin to imagine the pain and distress Jennifer Hudson and her family must be going through. My deepest sympathies.

RIP Julian.

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Apologies if this has been posted,but I found Julia's myspace updated. For someone who has lost her son, I found it hard to believe she updated her photo and her introduction. Is it me or does anyone find this strange:

LETS SEE IM 29 YEARS OLD I HAVE ONE CHILD AND I'M ALWAYS BORED, I LOVE TO HAVE FUN EVEN START A LITTLE S*** HERE AND THEIR i HAVE TWO YOUNGER SIBLINGS MY SISTER IS JENNIFER HUDSON YES THE JENNIFER HUDSON AND MY BROTHER IS JASON,I GUESS IT'S TIME TO UPDATE THIS WHEN I STARTED MY MYSPACE ALL OF THE ABOVE WAS TRUE , NOW BECAUSE I CHOSE TO DO WHAT WAS NATURAL TO ME AND LOVE SOMEONE , IT COST ME MY BEAUTIFUL FAMILY MY WONDERFUL BEAUTIFUL LOVING SUPPORTING MOTHER DARNELL, MY TRUE BLUE BABY BROTHER JASON , I LOVE U BIG BABY ... AND LAST BUT NEVER NOT LEAST MY ONLY SON JULIAN , MY INNOCENT BABY ONE THAT WAS SHELTERED FROM ALL THE EVIL OIN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE LOVED HIM SO MUCH... BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LOVING SUPPORT, I KNOW SOME OF YAL HAVE YOUR OPINIONS AND YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THAT , LIKE WHY IS SHE LOGGING ON TO MYSPACE AT A TIME LIKE THIS , LET ME TELL YOU WHY I WAS HOPING THAT , THAT WAS A WAY TO MAYBE HELP ME GET MY SON, MY BABY THE ONE I CARRIED UNDER MY HEART FOR 8 1/2 MONTHS THE SON IT TOOK ME 21 HOURS OF LABOR TO BRING HERE THE SON I GREW TO KNOW AND LOVE FOR JUST A FEW MONTHS OVER 7 YEARS THATS WHY ... AND NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ACTUALLY CARED THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT , THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS , THANK YOU FOR POSTING HIS PICTURE ON YOUR PAGES AS YOUR DEFAULT PICTURE THANK YOU... BUT HIS LIL SOUL IS AT EASE, I TAKE COMFORT IN KNOWING THAT JULIAN IS WITH MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHER AND MOST OF ALL THE LORD AND NOW HE'S MY ANGEL HE'S PROTECTING ME...

I guess people grieve in different ways?

Thoughts?

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Reading this entire story as it has progressed gives me the chills every time I read something new. That poor little boy. I hugged my own boy several times today, praying nothing bad ever happens to him. Whenever a child is taken and murdered, I think of John Walsh. The agony that poor man must have gone through, him and his wife, and look where he is now - putting scumbags just like that behind bars. It has to run through his head, the pain he felt when his own boy was murdered, every time he puts away some other child killer. I prayed they would find this boy alive. I cried when I found out they didn't.

Children are murdered in this country every single day, by all sorts of people. The only person we should be judging is the asshole that did it. Child killers aren't treated well in prison - I learned that from my Dad who joined a motorcycle club to ride for the safety of other children (look up BACA if you are interested). Eventually, this asshole will get his. It won't be enough though. Three people are dead. It won't be enough.

i just think about my little Chubby Bubby, my own 8 year old nephew and i just cry. :( poor little boy killed like that. wtf is WRONG with motherfuckers?!?!?!

i hope this fucking asshole gets every single orifice raped every single day until the day they slide that needle in him and he's fucking DEAD.

actually, i hope that a mob rises up and fucking tears him limb from limb when the guilty verdict is said.

if anyone ever did that to a member of my family? that would be one dead ass motherfucker. tortured first, but DEAD.

RIP little Julian. i hope your Grandma and Uncle Jason are right there for you and with you. :(

Oh, I just read one of those judgmental posts, btw, which is not deserving of pasting. I wonder what this person would think of the mother of the children here in So Cal who was shot execution style about 2 years ago along with her kids by her husband who worked for the DA's office in Riverside and had a spotless reputation.

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You're obviously missing the point. The guy who killed this beautiful little boy didn't have a "spotless" reputation. He was already in jail for attempted MURDER. You don't let scum like that hang around your kid.

Oh, I just read one of those judgmental posts, btw, which is not deserving of pasting. I wonder what this person would think of the mother of the children here in So Cal who was shot execution style about 2 years ago along with her kids by her husband who worked for the DA's office in Riverside and had a spotless reputation. What did SHE do wrong? Oh yes, it pisses me off to even mention this but I KNOW it matters to some of you better-than-thou assholes: they were a WHITE family. As far as their neighbors in their quiet community knew, they were a "Christian" friendly, community-involved family. Mr. Perfect also killed himself. It happens. And I'm out of here.

ETA: was about 3 years ago, here's the story

http://www.kesq.com/Global/category.asp?C=99145

luscious_t,

I usually try not to do this, but I am going to have to call out a whack job when I see one.

your hateful post about poor DEAD Julian's weight is just beyond comprehension. I am embarrassed you are in our midst. Your comments' rationalizations and sense of "compassion" is truly warped. I don't care what your initial motive was in making whatever twisted point you were trying to make about a young innocent child's weight at a time like this - i.e. his MURDER!!! - but as a result, you must own it. You demonstrate yourself to be a true abomination. I am sickened and distraught over this oh-so-innocent child and his grandmother's murder, and you personally just made me more so.

just fucking ugh, I wish I hadn't read what you wrote. Talking about the "crime" of a child's alleged "obesity" at the time of that child's murder is unconscionable. I am truly sickened.

ohgod, I should have obeyed my gut and not scrolled down for all I missed. I was still hoping ... rest in peace, sweet child.

and @ Kacky: well put, sick of all that too, thank you.

When the killer, probably Balfour, did this he was embodying pure evil actions. We shouldn't blame Julia for his actions. One picture stuck out at me, the one where Julian was looking at William with a scared look. It was almost like he knew the guy was bad news.

This is truly sad - RIP little one

Bless his heart, that poor little boy.

Blame all you want... this HAPPENS, and it happens to good people. Being judgmental allows you to feel safe and superior but it does not address the real problems.

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I'd like to not be angry at this woman. I'd like to just be angry at the (insert any expletive) monster that terrorized and shot Julian multiple times but I can't get beyond how things happened to put Julina in this monster's world.

"Loving mom" I agree
"Responsible mom" I wouldn't be so angry at this woman if I thought she was a responsible mom.
She married this guy.
What justification could be given as to why this guy was around her son? She knew he was a criminal and just waiting to be arrested again.
Give me a good reason why this monster was allowed around her son.

so, so tragic...i especially have no use for people who harm children, old people, helpless people and animals...you just deserve not to live...
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sigh. To those who are judging this boy's mother, and saying that she brought this on herself i urge you to stop being so scared.

The reality is, whenever tragedy like this strikes, people love to blame the victim because it makes them feel as though it won't happen to them.
Saying that this woman's mother, brother, and son were all murdered because she recklessly invited tragedy upon herself will not make it any less likely for any of you to to become involved with a man or woman who does you or your family harm like this.

To be honest this woman seems alot classier than some people are giving her credit for. I've seen what an actual lazy ho of a mother's myspace page looks like and this is definitely not that at all. I've seen much worse from much worse and given where she's from and what she's around she seems like a loving and responsible mom.

i hope that this tragedy sheds light on the disturbing murder rate in chicago. and on the fact that gun laws are a must! and my thoughts and prayers are so with this woman.

This whole story does not seem to make any sense (as many domestic cases don't).

I don't care if you're from South Side Chicago or from some bucolic countryside (could happen anywhere). Anyone who would shoot this beautiful little boy, multiple times, is a sick bastard.

RIP Julian.

If that monster was the best Julian's mom could get into her love life then she should have put Julian's safety first and gotten ready for a few years off the market.

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Why not be be angry at her for allowing a monster around her child. I believe it is all kinds of selfish to have allowed this guy access so her son would be in his violent path.I believe she had an idea about him being a criminal and still let him in her home and her son's life.

Submitted by Hekki on October 27, 2008 - 9:21pm.

"Don't do it. I know you're sad, but it won't help a damn thing if you fall off the wagon. 23 days is a great accomplishment. Don't ruin it."

I am sincerely thankful that it would take me an hour and a half to get to the liquor store and back since I live out in the sticks and in a dry county. Thanks for the encouragement... or rather, "discouragement" of alcohol use. I don't want to and am not going to slip back into the rut where I am wasted or passed out. On day 30 the hubby is taking me out to dinner. :)

Still, what a shame. Such a young, innocent life. Poor kid. *wipes tears* I really hope that murdering son-of-a-bitch gets his just desserts and then some!

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wow, this place is angry tonight... not hangin' around for this

OT: RIP, Julian

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blaming the mom for the monster who shot her child multiple times is just stupid.

Submitted by eyedunno2008 on October 27, 2008 - 10:04pm.

If Julian's mom expected William to be most likely to be arrested (even jokingly) like it says on her MYspace page WHY WAS THIS GUY AROUND HER SON?!!

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Like I just said: I get the feeling they grew up together. It's different from meeting some guy off the street like that...way different. She would have known him when he was just an angry little boy.

I don't want to get into a gun war again (haha - gun war, you know what I mean) but really - it strikes me (again!). A gun delivers action on impulse and gives distance. If he'd had to kill those people with his bare hands it may have made him think twice. It likely would have been a different scenario altogether - while still terrifyingly violent perhaps not fatal and hopeless.

But I don't do the pro-anti thing...I'm just talking about this. One thing at a time.

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If Julian's mom expected William to be most likely to be arrested (even jokingly) like it says on her MYspace page WHY WAS THIS GUY AROUND HER SON?!!

Submitted by dramaqueen365247 on October 27, 2008 - 9:54pm.
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Thanks! It's nice to know not everyone wants to compare me to a mass-murdering child killer.

But it's not really even about being a single parent - there are tons of married/partnered parents that put themselves before thir kids, too. I'm glad you're not one of them :)

---and trust, I know if something happened to my child, I would be picked apart, too. I'm not perfect and I'm not a saint. But erally, how is it any diff than sitting back and jusging people like in all the other posts? Anybody reading Dlisted is, to some degree, a judgemental asshole, eh?

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