Saturday, November 15th 2008
Mrs. Rojo On Larry King!
Joy Behar filled in for Larry King last night, he was off hunting for the souls of children, and she had the unofficial Mrs. Rojo Caliente on her show to talk about the gay marriage ban. I've been majorly strung out, looking for a Rojo fix, so this helped to ease the pain. I watched it last night, focusing on Mrs. Rojo's lips and thinking, "those things have felt the heat of The Rojo!" I'm jealous. On a serious note, Mrs. Rojo is smart in the brains and made some good points.
Also, in a few minutes a huge National protest against Prop 8 begins in every state. Run your ass over there now! And look hot, because there's going to be cameras. Click here to get info for the nearest rally if you're interested in going.
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gretchenwhit: Agreed, but it was sorta a personal attack. Didn't appreciate it much.
Off for free food from my Puerto Rican mama! I LOOOOVE unofficial adoptions! (said the all white lady who moved to NYC a year ago all alone)
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
lizardbits: Exactly. I went to an evangelical Christian school for 8 years and we studied the Bible every day. They were the 700 Club variety; country club evangelicals, if you can imagine.
It's funny (or not so funny) how quickly they can get lathered up about something like Harry Potter or "The Simpsons".
They were really crazy against pop music, too. They called it "secular" music. Aside from the filthy perverted lyrics about sex and drugs and Satan, the rhythms were meant to lure young people into having - gasp - carnal feelings. THat's why it's called "Rock and Roll" - because of the motions bodies make when sinning. (A teacher actually said that. It had never occurred to me before, but those words conjured up all sorts of naughty thoughts.)
Nevermind that the "Christian" music used the same instruments and rhythms as "secular" music. But the words were glorfying God, so it was okay.
Or some such hypocrisy.
Submitted by la coocaracha on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 2:51pm.
I hate how black people somehow got linked in to all this gan sh*t. People are saying how can such a high percentage of black peeps for for the ban when they've suffered oppresion so long....they must be horrible...just aweful things..
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well it's true. I don't understand how so many can be for the ban. It makes no sense.
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You know what makes me sad. The idea that the same people who would show up at a march to free black folks from second citizenship in the 60's would spit on the idea of showing up to free gays and lesbians from the same shit in 2008.
Inequality in the world's "greatest nation" is absurb, ridiculous, heartbreaking, and foremost unconstitutional. If all men are equal then what the hell is this bullshit? I'll tell you. It's a bunch of folks holding on to their power. They can't treat any other minority like shit anymore without someone slapping them down except for gays and lesbians because they are the only group left on the planet that everyone can rally their hate around and not be pegged a bigot.
As a black woman that scares me because yes we elected Obama but what does it mean when a black man can be the leader of the United States and yet we still are denying civil rights to a whole community of our own citizens.
If it's true that "God don't like ugly" then I assume that God right this minute is trying to figure out a way to Botox and lypo this whole nation.
Prop 8 is all about pandering to some of our worst human tendencies: sanctimony, superstition, bigotry, and scapegoating. And religion, at its worst, is just a vessel for these tendencies.
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It's ironic that in its quest for immortality, religion itself may lead to our extinction.
Submitted by lizardbits1 on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:24pm.
Submitted by radio siren on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:18pm.
Thanks and your grandparents were better people and me. Good gracious!
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You're welcome, love!
And for the poster who was talking about christians being against female ministers...my grandparents were married by a female minister back in 1936. So even way back then, there were christians who didn't have a problem with it. By the way, they had her remarry them when they renewed their vows for their 25th wedding in 1961. My hope is that I will be able to witness gays and lesbians celebrating 25-year wedding anniversaries during my lifetime!
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"Paris is fucking lame. She's more offensive to me than anything. She's a total, raging, disgusting, rich, lazy party slut. I pray that my daughter will not turn out like her." - Dave Grohl
la coocaracha, I read a very intersting article that said during Jesus' time here on earth, there was a reason he said "turn the other cheek". One historian explained that at the time if someone slapped your cheek once, it was a form of punishment for slaves. But Jesus being a rebel told his followers that if you are slapped once on the cheek, turn your head and allow yourself to be slapped on the other cheek. This would be a signal that A) you are not anyone's slave and B) you are standing up and challenging the person. Because two slaps was a challenge or confrontation between two equals. Very interseting theory.
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I don't understand how people can be against same sex marriage, in Canada same sex marriage is legal. When the Prime Minister tried to reopen the debate he was shot down 175-123, just as he should have been. Saying that it's sad that 123 votes went to dark side, still too many.
The real thing that freaks me out though is that when America was formed the four father tried to keep religion out of politics, so why is it that Christianity seems to consume politics now in America. It's just unreal to me.
I think that dannygirl person likes to sneak in an ignorant comment on every thread...then he/she sits back and watches everyone get mad. Some people are shit starters and need to be ignored. I say next time, ignore it.
putsomestankonit: BWAHAHAHA! we're just all going to burn! Tee hee! Btw: love what not to wear.
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
@Zomay, honey I was raised Catholic and figured out by the age of 6 we were all destined for hell.
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gretchenwhit,
*wink*
I don't have a problem with this Mr. Jesus fellow, but some of his followers scare the piss out of me!
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Submitted by lizardbits1 on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:19pm.
Did you know that the 700 Club promotes one of the Deadly Sins? They had Carmindy from What Not To Wear on about a week or so ago to show women how to apply make up! *Clutching my pearls* Talk about sinful tv.
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Submitted by radio siren on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:18pm.
Thanks and your grandparents were better people and me. Good gracious!
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
Hekki: Like that psycho-mom who took all her son's Lion King stuff away when she was told on the 700 Club that it was EVIL???
Sorry about the God stuff... I don't like it when people use the Bible to justify their hate. I agree, it is a legal issue, but, unfortunately, it has psuedo-religious over tones.
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
Submitted by dannygrl on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:08pm.
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My pedophile priest reads the bible everyday, too.
Submitted by lizardbits1 on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 2:55pm.
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Good for you! I'm personally not religious, but I have complete respect for those who are (minus the ones who oppose equal rights for everyone) and I applaud you for your bravery in saying so. Some of the best, most wonderful and proactive people I have ever known have been christians (including two people whose characters will never be lived up to by anyone else I will ever know as long as I live, the people who raised me) and I despise people who have blind hatred toward others who are truly trying to be good people through their religions.
Just wanted to let you know that not everyone here is so close-minded and disrespectful. The concept of being open-minded has to go both ways. I've said it here before and I'll say it again: my grandparents took in a young man from Papua New Guinea during the mid-1960s, and greatly assisted him in getting his degree from USC. To the world, he looked like a black man, and so many people thought my grandparents were crazy. This man graduated and became a doctor; he now lives in Canada but he kept in touch with them until they died. My grandparents always said religion was about helping others. To me, this was a great contribution toward the civil rights movement. I'm sure they would regret the fact that I do not practice, but at least I know that others out there practice their religions in the same good faith.
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"Paris is fucking lame. She's more offensive to me than anything. She's a total, raging, disgusting, rich, lazy party slut. I pray that my daughter will not turn out like her." - Dave Grohl
@Sheeps baby steps! Though I might have a good story every now and then that he told me to share around here :)
Read whenever you wish.
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She looks awesome- better than in SATC and she makes great points. I just got back from the Denver march it was fun, big turnout! But lots of h8ers.
Eating shellfish
Leviticus 11:9-12 NIV -- "`Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water--you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.
Wearing gold jewlery
1 Peter 3:3 KJV -- Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
Paying interest
Leviticus 25:37 - KJV -- Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
Wearing poly/cotten blend clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - NIV --
" 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plan your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
Excercising
1 Timothy 4:8 - KJV -- For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
Charging interest (banking)
Deuteronomy 23:19 - KJV --Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usuary of money, usury of victuals, usury of anyh thing that is lent upon usury:
Marrying someone who is divorced
Matthew 5:32 - KJV -- But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Working on Saturday
Exodus 20:10 - KJV -- But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Women talking in church
Corinthians 14:34 - NIV -- women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
Oh goodness we are all going to hell!
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Submitted by dannygrl on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:08pm.
Oh nuts to soup you won't respond to me. And my question was a serious one too. And another thing I've always been dying to know about hardcore Christians who live and die by the bible (not meaning that in a disrespectful way honest!) how do you feel about Jesus being born a Jew, living as a Jew, dying as a Jew? And really just wanting people to be better Jews?
Because I blame all of this hating on Saul err.. I mean Paul.
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Submitted by Clarisse on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:12pm.
The same one who spouts ignorant rants on everything.
Clarification: dannygirl is the ignorant spouter, not Clarisse :)
Submitted by Clarisse on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:12pm.
I thought so too but couldn't find the comment! I had a long ass rant about that too! Siiigh. *keeping soapbox handy*
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
With all due respect, it doesn't matter WHAT the Bible says, because it's all open to individual interpretation. Three people could watch the same episode of Spongebob Squarepants and come away with three different lessons.
The Bible has NOT ONE THING to do with this; it's a LEGAL issue. I suppose it's an ethical issue, too, since basic human rights are involved. If someone opposing gay marriage has an argument with a FACTUAL or legal or even ethical basis, I'm all ears and open mind.
Submitted by putsomestankonit on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:06pm.
I just finished my story if you care to read it.
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Ouu, ouu! I shall read it right away. Does this mean you're gonna let that a-hole go, now?
dannygrl: God taught love your neighbors. Love your enemies. And leaving your judgment to God. Are you pure? Are you sinless? Then don't go there. Read the adulteress parable. Look it up.
Um...
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
Wait. Isn't dannygrl the same hateful cunt that thinks a gay man with the sniffles means he has the aids???
Hateful bitch. You do to religion what PETA does to animal rights.
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Submitted by dannygrl on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:06pm.
Yes, using caps doesn't make you look like a douchebag or anything. Not that you need any help. Oh, and the verse you're trying to quote mentions people abandoning their natural desires. If I fuck a chick, I am abandoning my natural desires. Plus, it all goes back to pagan fertility rituals, but I doubt you're bright enough to see this.
And you might want to chill out on judging other Christians. You know, at least until you get that plank out of your eye.
Submitted by dannygrl on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:06pm.
Sigh.
Diego,
". In the fucking rain and cold because I am a good homo like that." Bwhahaha!
Sheeps...
Are you going to have another chat with me?? =/
Lizardbits,
Don't lower yourself. It has been reported.
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Submitted by dannygrl on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:06pm.
Not an avid reader of the bible myself and knowing that only men wrote it. Please tell me how they know what God is thinking?
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Submitted by zomay on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:00pm.
Jesus himself never mentions gay marriage in the Bible. Not once. Also Bible passages at one time were also used to support slavery, and teaches us that women are second class citizens. If you don't listen to your husband he will cast you off and create Eve. Just the fact that God has a Son and not a Daughter is one reason the Bible can kiss my ass. The reality is we are all children of "God" and deserve equal civil liberties. The Bible should have little to do with the creation of laws here in the United States. As long as 2 people in love are not hurting you or me, are over the age 18, and paying taxes like the rest of us, they deserve the same rights. God Bless 'Merica
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Amen.
Something else that I find intriguing is that the singulat Bible actually consist of two books- the Old and New Testements- which both teach 2 very different philosphies...one says eye for and eye, the other turn the other cheek for example. I wonder what the purpose behind putting these two differnt books together as one teaching was...
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just need to keep you in mind, as something larger than life....
@Sheeps I just finished my story if you care to read it.
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Besides, that guy married a PINEAPPLE, why can't gays (honest to God people) marry each other?
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
Submitted by Clarisse on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 3:02pm.
Tolerance even applies to sheep!
*forming obscene, intolerant reply*
Submitted by cici on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 2:35pm.
And more ignorance. Try reading the Bible and understanding the context of the laws and rules. Temple prostitution was a huge problem because it was a pagan ritual. Obviously, that's not good when it comes to Christianity. But I suppose you're ok with women not preaching in churches? Not even speaking in churches? Or did you not have a problem when that rule was 'overruled'? What about keeping slaves? Hell, what about cutting your hair, wearing pants, eating shellfish, and forcing rape victims to marry their attackers? You ok with us overrruling all that?
And don't even get me started on David and Jonathan. They clearly got it on and God loved Him some David. Try reading some history and understanding the times the Bible was written in. Then go check out Gilgamesh and Enkidu, Achilles and Patroclus, and Alexander and Hephaestion. You can quote the Bible all you want, but arguing with history and science just makes you look like a jackass.
Now, I am going to march. In the fucking rain and cold because I am a good homo like that.
Submitted by Clarisse on Sat, 11/15/2008 - 2:59pm.
thanks. *hugs back*
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
Tolerance even applies to sheep!
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Tolerance means tolerance--not selective tolerance or tolerance only for those who believe as you do. That applies to Christians, gays, and everyone else.
Submitted by Flatsy: "I don't understand how people can oppose gay marriage. I live in MA & it's been legal here for a few years. The sky didn't fall in on us and it didn't lead to the end of civilization. No big deal, we all get up everyday and go to work or school and that's that."
Exactly. Giving women the vote didn't take it away from men. Giving black people the vote didn't take it away from whites. Giving gays the same rights to marry takes nothing away from straight marriage. There is no argument that makes any sense to me.
I am fiercely pro-choice, but I understand why people might want to stop abortion. I don't AGREE, but I understand where they are coming from. I just DO NOT understand why people oppose gay rights.
Jesus himself never mentions gay marriage in the Bible. Not once. Also Bible passages at one time were also used to support slavery, and teaches us that women are second class citizens. If you don't listen to your husband he will cast you off and create Eve. Just the fact that God has a Son and not a Daughter is one reason the Bible can kiss my ass. The reality is we are all children of "God" and deserve equal civil liberties. The Bible should have little to do with the creation of laws here in the United States. As long as 2 people in love are not hurting you or me, are over the age 18, and paying taxes like the rest of us, they deserve the same rights. God Bless 'Merica
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Cici, you're absolutely right when you say: "I think the real issue here is that homosexuals want to overrule the teachings of Christianity and other religions towards this matter."
It's not just the religions, it's the laws that need to be changed too. That's what the goal is.
Personally I find the comparisons to slavery to be valid (this isn't nearly as bad, no way to that, but in other ways).
Every person is entitled to basic human rights and they are entitled to be treated equally under the law. Regardless of sexual orientation, gender, health or religion.
How sad that people are still arguing about basic human rights.
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(((hugs)))
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Used to love Joy but ever since the presidential race, began 2c her as a bigmouthed yenta. Can no longer watch or listen to her so I skipped LK show.
*gets off of soapbox*
Sorry about that. It just gets me a little irritated.
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
DivasGone,
Yes, the story is that Larry and Danny had a 10 year affair that only ended at the insistence of Joan Plowright. Olivier is also said to have had an affair with Noel Coward.
I think the majority of truly talented people are attracted to "people" not "sexes". Did that make sense?
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I agree with lizardbits. Some Christians give us all a bad name. Like someone said before, this shouldn't be about religion.
DivasGone: Agreed, however most of us don't feel the need to run around and try to convert everybody! The silent majority, ya know? I'm a college educated woman who believes in evolution, equal rights for EVERYBODY, and in God. Does that last thing make me a horribly backwards person?
Just sayin'. I don't say that gays are evil, I don't say that Islam is the devil, and I don't say that abortion will send you to hell (nor do I believe that crap). But I am a Christian. To each their own, and I try to respect that.
**Anne Marie Lucas needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH**
So people get ready
there's a train a-comin.
You don't need no baggage
you just get on board.
All you need is faith
to hear the diesels comin.
Don't need no ticket
you just thank the lord.
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Oh Wont You Come On Over, Stop Making A Fool Out Of Me, Oh Why Don't You Come On Over, Valerie.
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you mean the big boat with the two gay giraffes, right?