John Travolta's 16-Year-Old Son Has Died

Educated? No. That's the problem. Look up most Scientologists and you will find only a H.S. Diploma, not any college. College educated people would see the cult for what it is, I think.
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Travolta is a high school drop out.

Once i Wiki'd a list of Scientologists and I found the lack of education a common denominator.

if you read the beginning of 'Dianetics' it is basically a junior degree in liberal arts with a glossary for terms and all.

Amrun: Admittedly, we're none of us doctors who can diagnose someone we've never met. Perhaps my comparison to a 3 year old was inaccurate or unkind (although it wasn't meant to be).

But IF he was autistic and not getting the proper therapy he needed, (which he probably wasn't) he MIGHT NOT be able to see to all his needs by himself.

Again: He was not a typical 16 year old boy. I think we can all agree on that.

Submitted by SICKITTEN on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 2:27pm.
Submitted by Ford_Prefect on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:26pm.
Soo...what is Travolta's excuse? Moneyed (more money than I will ever see), educated, seen the world, probably has used some modern medicine. One with all those worldly experiences just couldn't buy into CO$. I don't understand religion....

Educated? No. That's the problem. Look up most Scientologists and you will find only a H.S. Diploma, not any college. College educated people would see the cult for what it is, I think.
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Travolta is a high school drop out.

Submitted by KidL on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 2:38pm.

^^Slaps self on forehead

Thank you!

I disagree, a 16 year old with Autism is not the same as a 3 or 4 year old and does not require constant attention unless severly psycholotc which, from the pictures of Jett we can see that he is not. I don't know what consensus you are talking about, but they have never said he was diagnosed with autism. If he was autistic, it would appear to be a minor form like Asberger's or a social problem. Again, if Autism is severe, the person would not even make eye contact which Jett is clearly doing in photos. I have a relative with Asberger's and he is very much functional on his own, just has problems in socail gatherings.

Submitted by LuLu Fitz on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 2:36pm.
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Submitted by amrun: "This young man was 16 not 6. I have young children so naturally I watch them all of the time... "

But Jett was not a typical 16 year old. He (there's a consensus here) was autistic.

If you have had any contact with autistic people, you know that they need constant attention. Sometimes for eating and dressing and personal hygiene. And always so they don't slip even further into themselves.

I think it's similar to leaving a 3 or 4 year old alone.

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Submitted by Ford_Prefect on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:26pm.
Soo...what is Travolta's excuse? Moneyed (more money than I will ever see), educated, seen the world, probably has used some modern medicine. One with all those worldly experiences just couldn't buy into CO$. I don't understand religion....

Educated? No. That's the problem. Look up most Scientologists and you will find only a H.S. Diploma, not any college. College educated people would see the cult for what it is, I think.

Given the new story on TMZ, we can only hope these new details are true and not some SPIN that is being put out.

It is now being said that there is a very short window between the time that Jett was discovered and suffered whatever caused him to pass away, as opposed to yesterday's original story saying he was there alone overnight. It's a huge difference... so it makes me suspicious.

They are also saying there was a nanny present with Jett 24/7, a "baby monitor" by Jett's side, AND a "chimer" that goes off when he entered the bathroom. Given the fact that Jett was nonverbal, these things all seem like necessary precautions.

Again, being a parent, I can't imagine the pain of losing my child. Since we don't know what happened yet, I'm trying to withhold judgment. The whole story is so sad. RIP Jett!

Wow. I think this is one of the few pictures I've ever seen of him. He looked a lot like his Pa.

They must be grief stricken. I can't even imagine nor do I ever want to imagine.

Just. Sad.

Submitted by wildchildintn on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:59pm.

I know all the wild speculation, but as I said earlier, as an epileptic myself, this is all very plausible. Before my seizures, I feel ill and go into the bathroom. I think, thankfully, when my seizures start, I am on the toilet (sorry to be graphic), so my fall is only from the toilet to the floor. If Jett felt ill and went into the bathroom and fell from a full standing position, it is completely plausible to hit your head on the tub full force and get seriously injured.

I am getting the "I told you so..." from my husband like crazy this morning since he found out about this. He always tells me, after a seizure, that I should have woken him up if I didn't feel good and not to go the bathroom alone. After the first few times I did that as a false alarm, he probably would have told me to stop.

However, it is instinct if you are not feeling well to go into the bathroom to see if going to the bathroom will make you feel better.

I know Jett had some special needs, but I'm sure it wasn't expected for someone to literally go everywhere with him, especially to the bathroom, at his age. This could have happened at any time and literally to anyone. It's a tragic accident.

Looking at pics of Jett when he was a little boy and they do not even look like the same person.

Why was he so overweight?

I've not really heard any details about this case so I can't make any judgement on whether anyone was to blame for what happened. I don't know the details of the child's condition (does anyone definitely?) so can't make a judgement about whether he should or shouldn't have been being supervised 24/7. But I can say this: he was 16 years old and 16 year olds, whether they have a learning disability and a medical condition or not, want their own space. Maybe he didn't want someone around him 24/7, maybe as a 16y/o boy he slept in late a lot in the mornings - hell I do and I'm 30. And celebs probably stay in very big houses so maybe no-one noticed it until it was too late. Maybe the Travoltas didn't fully accept the reality of Jett's condition but I can tell you that this is by no means confined to scientologists. Lots of parents don't always accept the diagnoses of doctors and try to treat their child as if it is "normal" in the mistaken belief that it is in the child's best interests. Its not always the fault of scientology. They may well have thought they were doing what was best for their son even though they may not have been right about it. I can't leap to make a judgement about a family we really don't know that much about.

I don't understand why people are talking about a lack of supervision. This young man was 16 not 6. I have young children so naturally I watch them all of the time but my neices and nephews that are 16 are not constantly supervised, esp after they go to bed and the bathroom. I am guessing that he had his own bed and bath suite and Mom and Dad thought he went on to bed. At 16, you cannot force a person to take meds, its pretty much up to them whether they physically want to swallow it or not. He was a big boy, certainly bigger than his Mother.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/03/travoltas-son-fatal-blow-to-head/

This one's pretty good..it's an updated one.

Here's another thing. Have you ever been in a hotel suite? If it's not overly rowdy in there, you can most definitely hear someone falling without any difficulty. Yet, no one heard anything? I think the truth is that he was alone. Everyone was out celebrating, and here he was alone dying, and when they came back, they didn't check on him. This is just sad. I don't believe John hated his son, but I believe he looked at him and thought, this is not the child I wanted, and that's why they were so eager to start on producing a "healthy" son.

In march 2008, a 20 year old norwegian girl took a personalitytest from the scientology church.
The test result told her she was a horrible human being.

She went home and threw herself from the window and died. One hour after the test was taken, she was dead. She left a note saying she could not live because she had no good qualities as a human.

The girl was a strong woman, her father is a doctor and is a well known politician for the socialist and he is in the parliament.

This is the girl, Kaja: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=505907

This is her father, it's in english: http://www.stortinget.no/en/In-English/Members-of-the-Storting/Members1/...

I just remembered about this other event where a star's child died from a seizure accident...

http://www.usmagazine.com/tylos_son_his_girlfriends_heartbreaking_goodby...

Submitted by Gonnaburn...: "The biggest thing that upsets me about this is the what they are reporting as the last time he was seen versus being found."

Yes, that is troubling. Very troubling, since I think Jett needed constant care during the day and periodic checks at night. Dog knows they have the money for the very best care (and lots of people DON'T). Someone was not doing their job.

But my point was that even if someone HAD been there, it still could have happened.

The caretaker AND the family did a shit job taking care of Jett, no wonder they found him dead. How could they NOT notice that he was not around and the caretaker didn't find him until the next day?! Something is really fishy about this story.

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Suri Cruise and Ella Travolta look like identical twins..

Greta Van Sustern is a scientologist, so I was curious as to what she would reveal on her show last night. Well, she said that Jett WAS on anti-convulsive meds. If anyone in the news would know it would be her. Perhaps we should all just have sympathy for this family and let the whole Scientology connection go on this one?

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Submitted by angel_i on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:18pm.
Submitted by Gonnaburn... on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 11:33am.

Jenny M is not anti-vaccine. She is speaking out against the number of vaccinations and timing of babies getting them. She advocates spreading them out over time.

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Wow. They really need to teach them people how to speak or something cuz I had no idea. I thought she was against them entirely.

lol. as I've said before I have 3 children who have all the same vaccinations at exactly the same age and only my middle son has Aspergers so personally I think Jenny is FULL OF POOP!

Submitted by Gonnaburn... on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 11:33am.

Jenny M is not anti-vaccine. She is speaking out against the number of vaccinations and timing of babies getting them. She advocates spreading them out over time.

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Wow. They really need to teach them people how to speak or something cuz I had no idea. I thought she was against them entirely.

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Submitted by ImpertinentVixen on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:28pm.

I went to this site...read it. Went to send it to someone to read....IT'S GONE!

I recall sitting around with adults, drinking at a daytime pool party, while a bunch of young kids played in the large whirlpool. We're all sitting there, 8' away, but no one saw a girl had gotten her butt wedged into an inner-tube and flipped over, head down. After some considerable time, a dad noticed and jumped up and grabbed her. But it was shocking to think an accident like that could happen in plain sight, on a sunny, bluebird day, with so-called adult supervision.

Submitted by miffed_33 on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 1:13pm.

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Oh my goodness, this is just horrible. Can't even imagime what his family must be going through...makes me want to cry. It's not right when a parent outlives their own child.

We're told it is still an active investigation and the time line may be important in determining cause of death ... specifically, Jett was last seen going to the bathroom on January 1st, yet his body was not discovered until 10 AM the next day.

Submitted by miffed_33 on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 10:08am.
I was just thinking just because he was last seen going into the bathroom the night before doesn't mean it happened that night, if everyone else has gone to bed he may have left the bathroom, unseen and gone to bed also. Then when he woke the next morning he has gone for his morning tinkle and has slipped, fallen and seizured and that is why he was found at that time and why he passed then?????

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Poor boy

Just how many people does this fucking cult have to kill before someone does something to stop them? The truth will never come out unless this kicks Travolta in his fat hairy ass and makes him understand that his 'religion' is complete bullshit. Be a self loathing closet case all you want as long as you're only making yourself miserable, but when you're harming children then you need to be held accountable. You're a mo, John. A big fat cock sucking mo. And because you refuse to accept that, your kid is dead. Nice.

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Submitted by No Words on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 11:48am.
*rips off ducttape* OUCH!!
So... you believe in a temporary hell? Tee Hee.
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Problematic, I know. (-:

I guess I hope they suffer as they forced their child to suffer. Consequences, you know?

He pushed him...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1172613656

Sadness. But how could he have been out of sight for so long?

Submitted by Hekki on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:59pm.

Very true. Accidents do happen. A guy I knew was in a hottub in a public pool with his young kid. Another child of his called for his attention and he watched the kid play for two minutes, tops. When he turned back to the hot tub, he found his young one face down, dead. He was so upset, but it happened so fast. Somebody he knew later told him that at least he had another kid so it wasn't a total loss. WTF? Who does that?

Submitted by Hekki on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:59pm.
truth.
The biggest thing that upsets me about this is the what they are reporting as the last time he was seen versus being found.

Submitted by Ford_Prefect: "... Jett could have been seeing the best neurologist in the country, on the cutting edge seizure medications and still had a break through seizure, fell, seized again and died. You don't play fast and loose with seizure disorders."

Very true.

And: Even if the caretaker had been in the room with him, the impact of a fall could have killed him instantly. Older people fall all the time. Shit, *I* slip and fall on stuff.

As a parent, I KNOW that your child can be injured if you are two feet away and turn your head for one second. My daughter broke her leg while I was HOLDING her. Accidents do happen.

Per TMZ:

UPDATE: 11:50 ET. We've learned John Travolta has made arrangements with a funeral home in the Bahamas to ship Jett's body on Tuesday, presumably to Florida. The autopsy will not be performed until Monday morning.

Sources at the Freeport Grand Bahama Police Department tell TMZ the Serious Crimes Section is conducting an investigation into the death of Jett Travolta, the 16-year-old son of John Travolta and Kelly Preston, but cops don't believe any crime was involved.

A detective tells us the investigation is being run out of the Central Detective Unit, Serious Crimes Section, because of the high profile nature of the death.

We're told it is still an active investigation and the time line may be important in determining cause of death ... specifically, Jett was last seen going to the bathroom on January 1st, yet his body was not discovered until 10 AM the next day.

It is unclear if Jett fell and then had a seizure -- or if a seizure caused him to fall.

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I'm so torn on this story. I watched Larry King last night and they showed clips of some of Travolta's old interviews where he spoke of Jett. It's clear he loved his son. As a parent myself, the thought of losing my child is unbearable. I grabbed my son last night and hugged him really tight(and of course he gave me the stink eye, being 13).

But, the thought of poor Jett laying alone overnight, is just heart wrenching. If there is something that could've been done for him (medication), to help prevent this...well... how, as a parent, can you justify not doing helping a precious, helpless child who, in this case, LITERALLY, could not speak for himself?

Submitted by Night Owl on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 3:17am.
Somebody mentioned Suri and Ella looking alike, I get a weird "Boys from Brazil" vibe about that.

Amen to that. Maybe, when you get to the upper circle of COS a man is honoured by having his wife turkey basted with some of L ron's frozen jiz?

I often why would anyone with even their brainstem in tact want to join this ass wipe cult?
Clearly the Travoltas had to choose between the health of their son and their loyalty to the COS. They chose the cult. Shame on them

I am curious as to why he was not discovered until late morning. Where was everybody and why did they not ask "Where's Jett?". The reports indicate that the fall and subsequent death happened sometime the night before. I can totally see that happening, a person gets up late at night when the rest of the house is asleep, etc., but why the very late discovery? If his parents were not around and given the boy's obvious special needs, did he have someone else as a guardian?

*waking up late..* Er, where is the rest of the coffee damnit..

You there, Team Valtrex? Angel_i? ..

Ya know, I wonder what the Anonymous crew will do with all of this. You know they'll have some sort of reaction. I think it would be nice if they left this one alone, I mean a child died. But somehow I don't think that will happen.

Anyway, g' morning all. xo

Submitted by booyah on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 12:12pm.
Seizures happen, and for my friend's son, multiple times a day. And he gets constant medical attention. The meds may lessen them, but it is a constant balance, particularly during puberty. Her son goes down, hard, frequently, many times taking his caregiver with him. I don't think any religion, or difference in meds or no meds would have made any difference.

Agree. I think a lot of us are bothered by the Travoltas' refusal to accept the obvious diagnosis. But, treated or not, Jett was always going to be hard to care for.

The other troubling thing is, if the Travoltas were not objective about Jett, how can anyone feel comfortable with their explanation about how he died?

Interesting. I can believe every bit of it, too:

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/jett-travolta-victim-autism-kawasaki-or-...

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Migraine Sally scribbled:".....I wonder if in light of all this tragedy, they will turn around and denounce that wicked cult."

Why should they? That would require critical thinking skills which were sorely lacking during the past 16 years.

There are plenty of religious loonies who have watched their children die from all sorts of treatable/manageable conditions-bacterial infections, diabetes, failure to thrive etc , and I'm not including people who search alternative treatments for conditions like cancer. (cough cough laying of hands cough cough)

We laugh at these nuts because we consider them to be toothless, inbred, poor, uneducated morons that live in some little regenade compound away from civilization.

Soo...what is Travolta's excuse? Moneyed (more money than I will ever see), educated, seen the world, probably has used some modern medicine. One with all those worldly experiences just couldn't buy into CO$. I don't understand religion....

In my book, Jett's family is no better than Cletus handling snakes to cure septic shock, if all that is written is true.

Jett could have been seeing the best neurologist in the country, on the cutting edge seizure medications and still had a break through seizure, fell, seized again and died. You don't play fast and loose with seizure disorders.

A good link for sudden unexpected death in epilepsy

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1187111-overview

I get that. Stupid shit happens. I guess it would make me feel better that he was being treated for his epilepsy.

RIP Jett, if there is an after life, you certainly deserve it.

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As an epileptic, I can tell you that even if you are on medication, it doesn't stop all seizures. I rarely have seizures, but have had them on medication. All my seizures, except one, has been in the bathroom. My seizures always happen upon wakening, usually in the middle of the night. I awake feeling ill and go into the bathroom. My doctors always warn me to take my medication because the bathroom is one of the most dangerous places to have a seizure, due to the enclosed space and hard things you can hit on your way down. I've broken my nose several times, hurt my back and cut my face badly from having seizures in the bathroom.

An autopsy probably won't show anything. Seizures, most times, leave no evidence. It is very likely that it will come out that he died from blunt force trauma to his head from falling. It should indicate whether he was taking medication, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have had a seizure if he wasn't on medication. I take seven Dilantin a day and still have had seizures on it, thankfully rarely.

My thoughts go out to the family. I can't imagine losing a child and I'm sure they loved him, no matter what.

Other than that, I only know rumors and gossip about them and, in my circumstances as an epileptic, I just don't feel right making accusations or guessing.

Submitted by BigBadMac: "The best thing you can do for your kids is to teach then critical, scientific thinking."

Agreed. Already, we have our four year old thinking about what the commercials on TV are trying to sell her, whether or not we need the advertised item, and if the products really do what they say. It's a start.

And about the flu shot: There's usually a 50% chance that you will catch the flu anyway (new strain). Our family is pretty healthy in general and wash hands, etc. No one is elderly or very young (although I'm immune-compromised by pregnancy at the moment) My informed bet is that we will not die if we catch the flu. But I understand what you are saying.

I can't read all the comments. I know someone with a child who is severly autistic. My neice and nephew are mildly so. Seizures happen, and for my friend's son, multiple times a day. And he gets constant medical attention. The meds may lessen them, but it is a constant balance, particularly during puberty. Her son goes down, hard, frequently, many times taking his caregiver with him. I don't think any religion, or difference in meds or no meds would have made any difference. My friend was told that he probably wouldn't live past 8, but now he too is 16, and struggles with the care requirements. I think unless you live with this, no one should be pointing fingers. However, I do know this is dlisted. I just think this was not a plot, but probably a frequent occurance that had a tragic outcome this time.

On all counts, it is tragic.

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So, as heavy as Travolta is, if he starts getting chest pains, will he go to the hospital?

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