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also if your child is cowering and crying and wailing, you are hitting them too damn hard retards.
you dont need to leave a mark to make your point.
jeez ppl are stupid. poor kids

I know a hippy couple who wouldn't hit or even yell at their daughter and she is a totally spoilt, disobedient little bitch. she was actually his a by a car a while ago because she didnt feel like obeying her fathers order to stop on the kerb.
You cannot reason with children under a certain age, action and reaction is all they understand. i'd rather my children knew "if i run on the street, i get smacked" than to learn the hard way "if i run on the street, i get ran over".
My kids are happy, well behaved and most importantly safe, thanks in part to me hitting them.
stop being such pussies. it's not your job to be your kids friend and make them like you. it's your job to keep them safe and raise them to be good ppl.

Kids should not be trying to reason why their own parent is hurting them. If you gotta talk with your hands, you're obviously too ignorant to raise a child. Period. Unfortunately, they don't sterlize the ignorant and so any dumbfuck out there can have a kid. Yay for the rest of us. And hell yeah, I see you putting your hands on your kid I WILL say something to someone. Your kid doesn't have the voice to say no, so I will. Who you sleep with, how you make your money, what religion you follow, not my business. You HURT your KID, as a fellow PARENT, trying to raise another human being along with the one you're trying to "raise", it becomes MY business.

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Pathetic Earthlings, who can save you now?

Most parents nowadays are afraid to discipline their children. My mother spanked me once that I can remember and I knew she meant business. So many kids today run the household when this shouldn't be the issue. The parents are the authority figures not the childern. Too many parents use "Please coud you do this, please could you do that" when it should be "Do this, do that"! Since when do we ask our children for permission?

And it's a shame that in this day and age, we the parents have to be fearful of our children threatening to call CPS, for a slap. The tables have turned. The children are now in control of the parents! Is this the way some of you fools like it? You wonder why the youth of today has ZERO respect for authority. They don't even respect or fear the parents. I shake my head at every teenager I see. The foul mouths, no boundaries, no respect for adults ,is enough to make any other parent want to slap the shit out of them. The kids today are extremely coddled. There is NOTHING wrong with enforcing some discipline in your child even if it means a slap on the ass. Get over it! Everyone is so uptight these days. Do you really think you can talk to your 3 year old like an adult? You can't.

Submitted by hi_thurr on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 1:06am.
I love the reasoning that you must hit a three-year old because they can't reason and they would chase a ball into the street because they don't know any better.

Who the fuck plays ball with their three-year old near the street? If they do, the parents deserve to be spanked. Idiots
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NOT everyone lives on acres and acres of land. You could be playing ball in your front yard, in a nice neighborhood, and the kid could still run for the ball if it goes in the street. Most people live in a neighborhood that has streets. We don't all live in hillbilly fuck land where you have no neighbors next to you and only have dirt roads with no black top! WTF? Miss Oblivious apparently doesn't have children.

I keep hearing folks say "she was on her own property" when this occured. Her home is the setting of her TV show! So technically, she was still "out in public". The cameras are always following them even at home. Does it matter if it's the TLC cameras or TMZ cameras?

I have no sympathy for Kate on this one. First of all, reading this thread both sides of the spanking issue have valid points. I love the person who asked, "who corrects adults when THEY get out of line"? Good question because I can think of quite a few naughty adults who could use a good hard swat on the bottom. My deadbeat older brother for one. But if you hit an adult it's assault.

And second of all, Kate is a "celebrity". This is what she WANTED. No point in complaining about the press being "harsh" on her. This is how ALL celebs get treated. I don't care if you're A- List like Britney or D-List like Kate Gosselin. Kate, and by extension her kids, are fair game. Which is why it was STUPID of her to hit the kid in public. She knows it's going to be on the magazine covers and blown out of proportion. Which is why the more I think about it, the more I believe she hit this kid out of anger and NOT out of trying to get the kid to act right.

If the kid was repeatedly blowing a whistle why the hell didn't Kate just.....TAKE THE WHISTLE AWAY FROM THE CHILD???? Put it in her pocket, or in the damn trashcan. Would have been just as effective. Better then swatting the child in full view of the cameras.

I was hit around as a kid. It fucked me up. I do not hit my own child. Ever.

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Pathetic Earthlings, who can save you now?

I love the reasoning that you must hit a three-year old because they can't reason and they would chase a ball into the street because they don't know any better.

Who the fuck plays ball with their three-year old near the street? If they do, the parents deserve to be spanked. Idiots.

I cannot stand people that give parenting advice when they aren't actually parents themselves. NO, you DONT know how it will feel, no you DONT know what you will do. So STFU!

As far as spanking goes-Mixed feelings here...and those that are running their mouths without actually having kids really dont have much room to speak. Do you actually remember getting spanked as a kid? How painful it was emotionally and physically? It's easy to look back and think it was no big deal and say that you turned out fine, and maybe you did, but it is about fearing the parent, NOT respecting them.

Sure you have a great relationship with your parent and adore them, but when you are getting spanked and hurt by the one person you are supposed to trust, you hate them.

Personally, I have spanked my child before and I was spanked as a kid as well, but I hate myself for doing it when I do. It's about MY loss of control, and it is a vicious cycle. Nothing is worse than when my child crouches in fear when i'm about to spank him, or the awful cry he lets out when he knows whats coming. It makes me sick actually, and I feel horrible for doing it. It's made me pause and do the get down on his level thing and calmly explain the deal when i'm not so angry. Feels better all the way around.

Rant over.

Please do not discriminate against hippies. Thank you and good night.

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I just gained a shit-ton of respect for Kate. Finally- a modern parent who is not AFRAID to discipline her kids! The problem with kids today is that parents are so damn scared of hurting their little brats "self-esteem", or their kids not LIKING THEM, that they refuse to even say NO to them anymore much less spank them. Then they wonder why their kids grow up to be disrespectful, lazy, self-centered, drug-abusing, demanding, disobedient little shits. I can count on one hand how many times my parents had to spank me as a child. If my dad spanked me for something, I NEVER did it again. And I grew up respecting & obeying them. My own 5 year old daughter no longer even needs spankings. I can also count on one hand how many I've had to give her. She is a happy, well-adjusted, joyful child who OBEYS me, unlike all the whiny, tantrum-throwing kids of these hippy parents who think spanking is "abuse". Sorry, no amount of time-outs will equal the disciplinary power of 3 stout whacks on the butt.

When done properly, spanking is a very effective form of discipline that does NOT hurt the child. The proper way to spank is to give the kid a swift, brusque, open-palmed whack on the butt. Nothing too hard, nothing that'll leave a mark, but just enough to startle them & show that you mean business.

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:26pm.

Ah Buster, I only know too well of "trying and failing" when it comes to intimacy. Too many times I have tried to make love to your sister Lindsay only to find that I was unable to achieve an erection. Perhaps this was due to the Teamocil that I was selling while in the "Dr. Funke's 100% Natural Good Time Family Band". Oh well. A good cry in the shower made me feel much better.
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Wow. Wow. That's what it feels like to get punched in the face.

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:15pm.

Intimacy problems? Oh no. Lucille 2 and I tried, and it almost counted. Don't tell Mother.

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Ah Buster, I only know too well of "trying and failing" when it comes to intimacy. Too many times I have tried to make love to your sister Lindsay only to find that I was unable to achieve an erection. Perhaps this was due to the Teamocil that I was selling while in the "Dr. Funke's 100% Natural Good Time Family Band". Oh well. A good cry in the shower made me feel much better.

I was just waiting for a flight and was subjected to 20 minutes of bratty whining, from an unknown, unseen source, without a corrective adult voice heard. I got on the plane and the brat--maybe a 3-year-old boy--was of course 4 rows ahead of me, traveling with his somewhat older sis and mom. Sis got the window seat. Brat put up such a relentless stink that mom collapsed and had them switch seats.

This is learned behavior: brat knows that rents will give in if brat keeps it up. I'm not sure corporal punishment would work here, since mom clearly never says No or Shut up to brat. But I was ready to suggest it.

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:10pm.

But Buster, I thought that you were dating Lucille #2? Did you have intimacy problems with her? Because I understand intimacy problems, more than you will... never know.
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Intimacy problems? Oh no. Lucille 2 and I tried, and it almost counted. Don't tell Mother.

Lucille and I are not together anymore. There's only one Lucille in my life.

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:02pm.

Mother says I'm not allowed to date. She says that I'm only allowed to date her.

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But Buster, I thought that you were dating Lucille #2? Did you have intimacy problems with her? Because I understand intimacy problems, more than you will... never know.

Submitted by mharker on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:51pm.

Now you have to refer to him as your "uncle-father" a la Hamlet.
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I can't call him anything but Father Uncle Dad anymore. It's so confusing. They LIED.

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:58pm.

Now I have told you time and again that the only reason my "Charlie Browns" and my "Linus" were made public is because of that whole ball-landscape misunderstanding. Those cell phone cameras are so darn tricky to control! And I promise that I will wear my cutoffs for our date.
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Mother says I'm not allowed to date. She says that I'm only allowed to date her.

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:55pm.

I don't want to see your Charlie Browns again brother in law.

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Now I have told you time and again that the only reason my "Charlie Browns" and my "Linus" were made public is because of that whole ball-landscape misunderstanding. Those cell phone cameras are so darn tricky to control! And I promise that I will wear my cutoffs for our date.

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:52pm.

Perhaps we can spare a trip tomorrow morning! Although I do have to lead a rehearsal at the "Tobias is Queen Mary", but I can spare a few hours for my favorite brother-in-law! After all, we may meet some major Hollywood players while we relax our strained muscles together in the spa! Maybe then I could get one in the can!
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I don't want to see your Charlie Browns again brother in law.

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:49pm.

Are we going to the spa again?

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Perhaps we can spare a trip tomorrow morning! Although I do have to lead a rehearsal at the "Tobias is Queen Mary", but I can spare a few hours for my favorite brother-in-law! After all, we may meet some major Hollywood players while we relax our strained muscles together in the spa! Maybe then I could get one in the can!

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:49pm.
Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:46pm.

Now you have to refer to him as your "uncle-father" a la Hamlet.

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:46pm.

Buster, I so hate to be the "bearer of bad news", but it has been a family secret for many years that "Uncle" Oscar is actually your father.

I would love to stay and hold you while you go through this, but unfortunately the Blue Man Group has just called. It's possible that I will be on stage at 8pm. It's a good thing I blew myself earlier! Now I'll be all relaxed for a 9pm dinner reservation! Would you like to join me?
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You lied to me. You said my father was my father, but my UNCLE is my father. MY FATHER IS MY UNCLE.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BRRRRROTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Are we going to the spa again?

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:42pm.

Buster, I so hate to be the "bearer of bad news", but it has been a family secret for many years that "Uncle" Oscar is actually your father.

I would love to stay and hold you while you go through this, but unfortunately the Blue Man Group has just called. It's possible that I will be on stage at 8pm. It's a good thing I blew myself earlier! Now I'll be all relaxed for a 9pm dinner reservation! Would you like to join me?

Submitted by Tobias Fünke on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:40pm.

Buster, perhaps your mother does not spank you because of the guilt she feels about your parentage.
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What are you talking about brother in law? Mother loves me. She always... I'M A MOOOOOOOOOOONSSTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!

Submitted by Buster Bluth on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 10:34pm.

Buster, perhaps your mother does not spank you because of the guilt she feels about your parentage.

Mother never spanks me.

I never got a spanking because I saw my other siblings get spankings. That was enough for me!

That said, I live in NYC, if you hear the things some of these kids say out in the open, they don't need a swat on the tail, they need an ass beating. For real.

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LOL Too funny. Reason with it all you want, abusers. You're still abusers hitting innocent, defenseless children. Don't bother breaking the cycle you endured as children. Just keep multiplying people who deal with frustration w/violence rather then reason. Im sure you feel very important putting your little children in their place. When you're all seniors and you shit in your pants I hope your children "spank" and degrade you.

LOL Too funny. Reason with it all you want, abusers. You're still abusers hitting innocent, defenseless children. Don't bother breaking the cycle you endured as children. Just keep multiplying people who deal with frustration w/violence rather then reason. Im sure you feel very important putting your little children in their place. When you're all seniors and you shit in your pants I hope your children "spank" and degrade you.

Spank you...spank you belly mush.

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My siblings, friends, and fiance and his sibs were all spanked as children and we are all successful people with masters and doctorates. HUGE difference between swats and beatings. I actually DO respect my parents and have a great relationship with them. I've swatted at my daughter's butt every now and then, too, and she adores me. So yeah...whatever to those that think it's abuse and detrimental. You can't reason with a 3 year old, but they sure as hell know a swat on their butt. If a kid runs into the street to chase a ball you're not gonna sit them down and explain why--they don't have the cognitive capabilities of understanding why. They are primal beings at that point. They understand that they do something wrong and then their little behind stings for a second. THAT is effective. Not this time out bs...at least not until they are older. :)

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Spanking or no spanking...I'll leave that alone. My question is this: WHY ARE THESE BITCHES ALWAYS IN THE FRONT FUCKING YARD?!?!? What are they, trailer trash? You have land and a huge backyard-USE IT.

It's like when people who live in apatments who are always on their balcony like it's the only area they're allowed to be, then look at you like you're the crazy one when you walk by. BITCH, GO INSIDE!

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oh plz. Spanking is fine. I was BEAT as a kid and trust me there is a difference. Her kid was not left black and blue. She just got a swat on the butt.

Mk's abuelita is the hottest bitch ever! <3

Submitted by K2 on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 6:13pm.

LMAO at the "look"! i'm glad it works for you! it's undoubtedly a good thing. you just give somebody a look and they know they gotta get back in line. sometimes spanking is not necessary :) a look has its powers! i also have a "look" but i don't use it with children as i don't have any yet. i usually give that look to my father when the guy says something about me that i don't agree with (which is most of the time).
as for kate spanking her daughter i think people are overreacting and making her look like a monster. i totally agree with you; it looks like the spanking occured in her yard therefore at her property and not in a public place. and like you said spanking does not happen only behind closed doors. abuse does though but those are two different things. i don't think kate has anything to hide and if she does it's not child abuse for sure.

'We are responsible for what we do unless we are celebrities.'

Submitted by Haribo on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 5:36pm.
Submitted by K2 on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 5:23pm.

who'd ever think kate gosselin would make people have such nice convos! :)
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Who'd ever think that for once I'm defending this chic?! LOL

I think if you can perfect the "look" then that's half the battle. My mother shot us the look and we would normally zip it. I think my siblings and myself were very good kids ... goes to show my mom had a short temper to toss us around the few times she did. I'm the only one in the family that followed in her footsteps and has the "look" and I make it work for me.

And to the poster that said : she shouldn't have hit her out in public or out of anger. I must say, I've never seen a happy person hitting someone. Of course hitting is going to come from anger. If she had cooled down , I highly doubt she would've hit her at all. Anger is an emotion. She reacted b/c the kid pissed her off. That's normally when children get spankings! Also - I could be wrong - but didn't this take place on her premises? In public would be considered the local store, in a parking lot, on a busy street.... Well, she was at home in her yard from what I gather. Since when do spankings only happen behind closed doors? That's the shit you do when you're trying to hide it from people.

Submitted by K2 on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 5:23pm.

who'd ever think kate gosselin would make people have such nice convos! :)

'We are responsible for what we do unless we are celebrities.'

Submitted by Haribo on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 5:02pm.
anybody got shoes thrown at them? ;/
as for belts (and wires)...my ass knows how that feels.
my parents were both old school (still are) and many times i would get beaten up in a exaggerated way.
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LMAO! Yes, I'm part of the generation that got shoes thrown at them!! Only got the belt once. Had soap in the mouth, hair pulled, and an occasional slap in the mouth for being sassy. Lucky for me I had an old school mother who was afraid to hit me because I was so skinny growing up. She was afraid she might break me!LOL .

Anyone get the wooden spoon??! Now that's a whole other kind of discipline!

This story brings back memories of when I was 15(and, according to my mom, 'when I started to smell my self.' I have know idea what that means, so please don't ask. LOL) and I stuck out the house to party...and then got caught. My parents were waiting for me as I climbed back in the window. My mom was screaming at me and I said, 'Oh, please. Shut the hell up' under my breath as I turned to walk away. She grabed me by my hair and slug me around, got all in my face and let my ass have it. At this point, she dared me to open my mouth and as I did she slap the shit out of me. I mean, I LITERALLY flew across the room. All I could taste was a mouth full of blood. My dad had to stop her from coming back after me. It shocked the living shit out of me cuz she had never hit me...hell, she had never raised her voice at me. I was the good one that just started to get a little out of hand. My sister was always the trouble maker. She said she got that mad at me cuz, not only did I sneak out the house, but I lied and then had the nerve to talk back. I couldn't even be mad cuz I was out right disrespectful. So, I don't think it was the whistle that got her spanked, but the fact she out right disobeyed her mother. I won't tolerate that with my kids.
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Thanks, but really it's hard, I can't imagine what parents go though, but still I don't think hitting anyone is a solution to anything. I do however think that the percent your talking about, is the percent that is misdiagnosed and yeah, they are just brought up by morons with no parenting skills.

"Eagles may soar, but weasels are never sucked into jet engines"

Anyone here that thinks they can give advice on child raising without having children of their own should shhhh. You have no idea how you will react until faced with the actual situation itself. It's laughable if you think an actual parent will listen to your "advice" or views on child raising. Kind of like Oprah, who is the one who started this whole "spanking is abuse" BS. What Kate did, though, IS abuse. She hit the girl out of anger and in public. Spanking should be done behind closed doors and in a controlled manner. It's too easy to go too far when you hit out of anger. Hitting and spanking are completely different things.

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SilverBunny86...if you read my post again, I stated "more than a quarter of these" I feel are due to lack of parental control. I believe, if my math skills haven't left me, that leaves about 75% percent. Again, that's just my own opinion. I understand completely about ADHD, and sympathize with you. I'm sorry you felt so offended by my opinion.

Naughty kids will only go as far as you let them.

Every day I observe unable parents treating their kids like rubbish -all happening in public.
It breaks my heart.

No wonder some children have no respect -because they don't get any from their parents.

Loud and unruly children make noise to get attention because their parents ignore them. It's horrible, but, as I wrote, I see this every single day on London's streets....

Very sad.

Tickle Loris in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLdQ3UhLoD4

The Criminal Code in Canada allows parents/teachers/ guardians etc. to use reasonable force when its sole aim is to *correct* a child's behaviour, and it lays out some vague guidelines as to what is considered reasonable (Huge Supreme Court battle over this) My question is: when you're really pissed with your kid, who's being a little shit, how do you be calm & reasonable?

Also: How come if you hit me it's assault, but if I, or another adult who is responsible for my child, hits him/her it's not?

Not trying to cause trouble - just asking.

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anybody got shoes thrown at them? ;/
as for belts (and wires)...my ass knows how that feels.
my parents were both old school (still are) and many times i would get beaten up in a exaggerated way.

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'We are responsible for what we do unless we are celebrities.'

Oh puhlease. Spanking is not abuse. I don't think a child should get beat for every little thing, which is what I have seen some parents do. My two year old cousin got spanked for wasting juice. Like, BITCH she is fucking 2. That's what two yr olds do, they make messes, and it is not like she purposely took the cup and turned it upside down. I'm like you fucking idiot, this is what happens when you give a child that small a big ass cup that is bigger than her little hands can hold.

People are talking like all kids are exactly the same thus requiring the same form of disiciple. Time outs, and the occasionally 'look' from mom was enough to scare me but it didn't do shit for my older sister who got occasional spakings. You make sure children this young know their place and you won't have to worry about out of control teens. It's a lot better than watching a parent let their little ass kids do whatever the hell they want as if they run the home. I see that way too much.

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This thread has gone crazy since this morning. But I skimmed back and saw the post about "10 Reasons Not To Hit a Child" and all I can say is pfffft. I have no bad memories of being spanked. Not with a hand, a belt, a fly swatter, a switch or, in one case, the paddle that came attached to a little ball and a piece of elastic. My great aunt was a lovely woman, but once you got her mad, you were in some shit. I have bad memories of my ass being grounded because I refused to get it out of bed on Saturday and do my chores. But even that's funny to me now. I can still hear my dad's voice, "I ain't asking you to kill your dinner, boy, just get your ass out of bed and mow the damn yard."

GirlsEquipMgr I work at an ADHD Dr's office, and in my opinion, more than a quarter of these kids act the way they do because of their parents/guardians. I can't tell you how many of these kids do things in our office that I would have stopped immediately if it were my child, and their parent does NOTHING! It's scary!

Fuck you, I have ADHD and lived with it all my life and for most of it undiagnosed.It's so so hard to be child with it, half the time you can't remember what people just said to you no matter how fucking hard you try. Teachers scream at you and humiliate you infront of others and then you get to go home to angry parents who don't understand what your problem is. I have actions I can not control and so do those children. I can't believe you work for a doctor and don't understand that it's not a controlled action. You fucking make me sick. You will never understand how hard it is for these kids and their tired parents. Hitting doesn't do anything, it's a mental issue, not behavioral. You could beat the kids till their almost dead and I promise they will not understand or remember to not to do what is "annoying" you.
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