This Isn't Going To End Well....
DAMN. Courtney Love already lost custody of 17-year-old Frances Bean, but now TMZ is saying that she also has been ordered by a judge to keep her craziness away from her daughter.
A judge issued a restraining order which means that Court can't make any kind of contact with Frances Bean. The order is temporary, but there will be a hearing on January 5th to make it permanent.
Now, I'm no Detective La Toya, but I'm guessing this might have something to do with the crack-induced rant Courtney vomited up on her Facebook page yesterday. Basically, Court accused her own daughter of being a manipulative child who just wants to get a hold of her trust.
Below is some of Court's rant. UsWeekly was kind enough to translate it from crackanese to English:
"I hate to sound cold but any kid of mine who pulls this shit has lost her position. She was deceptive, she lied and she's lying to herself... My daughter is not always honest. She is clearly deluded if she thinks she can buy her grandmother a small house in L.A. I'd love to see how that works ... She thinks she has all this money. The point is, I have all the money she has.Don’t worry, Frances is a wonderful kid, she’s got bad people around her and wants it both ways. You could’ve asked for emancipation… you realize this will put you in juvenile family circus three times in your little life? I love you and always will unconditionally.”
Courtney also accused Frances' memaw of killing Kurt Cobain.
I figured this was about Frances' trust. Frances is trying to keep Courtney from stuffing her inheritance into a pipe. The quickest way to do that is to remove Court as her guardian. That Frances knows what she's doing.
And since the judge is handing out restraining orders, maybe he should also issue one against Court from Facebook. Seriously, it's for Courtney's own good.
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Hmm, I think Courtney doesn't have much of a censor (within), was probably brought up to always put on a show (to get attention) and perhaps did a lot of drugs to kill the pain (drugs which she never full came off of ??).... there is a lot of work to do there
I believe she loves Frances but the above being issues that come between her and her child. I also believe Frances loves Courtney but the instability being an issue for a child in their PUBERTY
There are probably more issues but I have the feeling a lot of things are being taken out of context... and negativity gleefully added to an already hard situation
TEAM FRANCES/TEAM COURTNEY
"I thought the consensus was Courtney killed Kurt."
Kurt's aunt doesn't even believe that
Island Girl,THAT WAS IT! Thank you. ahaha
LOL STARQZ
Dude, that is seriously fuking SAD! Like, no one wants to be around her...
freshfacestripper on Thu, 12/17/2009 - 8:39am.
LOVE is a crazy shit bat rat house rat bat whatever they say about crazy shit people.
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You got that right. The woman needs to be committed. And were you thinking crazy as a shit house rat?
I like yours better. :)
what about all those site's devoted to slandering Love for Kurt's death?? LOVE is a crazy shit bat rat house rat bat whatever they say about crazy shit people.
If Patti Wood, US Magazine's body language expert weighed in we'd get the following....
Although they have their arms around eachother, they are leaning in opposite directions, they are glaring at the photographer, and neither one of them is smiling with their teeth. Translation - they fucking hate eachother.
Why I think Franny here looks like Evan Rachel Woods..You be the judge:
http://www.zimbio.com/Evan+Rachel+Wood/articles/YOYvCpttvMQ/Alexander+Sk...
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The social workers acted within the law. If FB had been born addicted or died in their care then you would probably be bitching that they didn't do enough. The fact is, if these two hadn't been celebs then they probably would have never had this child returned to them.
Also, blaming CPC for Kurt Cobain not kicking his addiction is new one. What are you basing this on? The man abused drugs before and after FB arrived.
That's the problem - the law is fucked up. FB WASN'T born addicted b/c CL detoxed early on. They visited a prenatal specialist to find out about possible birth defects b/c of her use and the unplanned pregnancy. She gave birth to a healthy girl b/c she cleaned up then. It was some rotten bitch who wrote a false, poorly supported magazine article that started the whole mess. Don't presume to know what's in my head or what I would be bitching about, thank you!
And you're right, they're damned lucky they could afford excellent legal counsel to get themselves out of a corrupt system. Most of the poor masses just aren't so lucky. Most families get screwed when CPS wrongly intervenes.
About Kurt's addiction, I'm well aware of his drug use before and after Frances' birth, but the whole mess with the CPS def. doesn't help a depressed person overcome addiction. If anything, they sink further into it trying to ironically escape from persecution.
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That's one nasty, twisted mommie-dearest tirade. I used to cut Courtney Love some slack for having by all appearances a pretty shitty childhood herself, but that's out now that she's the one fucking with her kid's life all for money.
Go Frances!!!
Fuck Courtney, fucking bitch!
Submitted by PoodleLover on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 9:45pm.
Well, I don't know much about his mother but as for CL doing it, who knows?
I can DEFINITELY say one thing though, he was not helped in the mental state/depression area one damn bit by those motherfucking cunts who call themselves "social workers," unnecessarily interfering in his life and using their unconstitutional power to have his child kidnapped by the state. Very Orwellian and Kafkaesque. This country is turning into more of a police state every day. Poor Kurt, no wonder he couldn't shake his addiction after the kid arrived. Such an irony.
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The social workers acted within the law. If FB had been born addicted or died in their care then you would probably be bitching that they didn't do enough. The fact is, if these two hadn't been celebs then they probably would have never had this child returned to them.
Also, blaming CPC for Kurt Cobain not kicking his addiction is new one. What are you basing this on? The man abused drugs before and after FB arrived.
Well, I don't know much about his mother but as for CL doing it, who knows?
I can DEFINITELY say one thing though, he was not helped in the mental state/depression area one damn bit by those motherfucking cunts who call themselves "social workers," unnecessarily interfering in his life and using their unconstitutional power to have his child kidnapped by the state. Very Orwellian and Kafkaesque. This country is turning into more of a police state every day. Poor Kurt, no wonder he couldn't shake his addiction after the kid arrived. Such an irony.
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She sure as fuck did! I cannot stand that bitch!
Submitted by i_heart_jack on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:55pm.
"Courtney also accused Frances' memaw of killing Kurt Cobain."
I thought the consensus was Courtney killed Kurt.
Courteney Wildenstien
"One thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside."
This whole thing is just really sad. How do people know that FB was raised by her grandmother for the first 10 years? It looked like CL always had custody of her and that she had a bunch of nannies look after her while she worked. Was this not the case? I saw plenty of photos of FB as a young child and in every one there was a pic of her with CL, not her grandmother.
Also, as someone who was a guardian of a relative's child for a time when that person was being persecuted by social services, let me tell you that it is DEVASTATING to a person's confidence as a parent to have to go through family court to get your kid back even if you're NOT a drug user and did nothing wrong. Those abuse hotlines are used by nasty, vengeful relatives and neighbors as a way to get back at people. Sick world. I can tell you that my relative is doing ok now but it has left a huge black mark on her parenting years. She has not enjoyed parenting this child like she should have due to the paranoia and trauma of what she had to go through.
And THIS is what I think CL was referring to when she was blaming people for Kurt's daughter being taken from them when she was a baby. That would def. contribute to depression. Social services is a very FUCKED UP institution in this country that desperately needs legal reform.
You are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT unlike say, being charged for murder one, where you are innocent until proven guilty. How logical and fair is that?! I am sure that those social service fuckers def. contributed to Kurt's depression and suicice years later. That kind of experience will ruin a person.
(BTW, I am not saying that CL is an angel, far from it, but I wanted to address some of the stuff I've read on this board.)
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Courtney is pissed off because if anybody's going to spend Frances's money, it's going to be her. Poor Frances, she loses her father and is left with a drug addict to raise her. She has never experienced stability except with her grandmother.
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I very much doubt that her grandmother wants her money. Something about it doesn't sound right cause she lived her grandmother in WA till she was 10 and she was a big and stable part of her life. I cannot believe the Court is using the word "deluded" to describe anything but her own psychosis. Wow. Get help. Get meds. Please.
Starqz, what you said was great. I've always loved the fact that Courtney will reply to people online. She did it 10 years ago on Prodigy, she's still doing it now. Awesome.
Anyway, "The point is, I have all the money she has" sounds a hell of a lot like "I have the trust", which we all know is the problem.
*double post*
Frances Bean seems like a smart girl. she was royally fucked in the parents department. didn't Courtney admit to shooting heroin when she was pregnant?? I have a friend who used dope during both of her pregnancies and both babies came out without any defects but had to go through a horrible opiate withdrawal their first weeks of life. Courtney will die if she doesn't get herself together. what a selfish bitch to leave her only child in a world without parents.
Courtney's public rants to her daughter is taking on shades of a crackhead Candy Spelling. I don't know how poor FB could take living with this drugged out loon.
"Jesus and God really need to file a joint lawsuit against bitches for dragging their good names into unadulterated fuckery!" MK 2/15/09
Omg, all those sycophantic asskissers on her FB page are totally nauseating.
When it comes down to having parents like Kurt and Courtney you either become a mess or a miracle. Since I haven't heard any stories of Frances falling out of clubs at 3AM with her dress hiked over her head, sans panties, and coke stuck to her nostrils I have to go with her being a miracle at this point.
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I just got into it with Courtney Love over on her Facebook page and this is what was said..
Geez Courtney, why did you have to piss away your daughter's trust fund for? No wonder she wants to be away from you and all of your instability, can anyone blame her??
Courtney Love Cobain
uh let me clariffy one thing you ASSHOLE before someone deletes your stupid ass, her trust is not been touched thats the problem no audits nothing, shes got terrible people around her and shes completely a great kid, i am the sole heir of kurts and i have my own income as well its cost me millions in taxes to allow her to have some of her ... See Morefathers money wich she decalres at 17 she does not want but man oh man some othr people do i have enough she does not.i support my daughter they only want to con her into exactly what theyre doing now its 17 m jiust sitting there noone wants it, so why not just steal it.
nowsuck it. you and perez.
Okay that's your side of the story and fine if that's the way you see it. So what's the problem then? Why does Frances want to be away from you and why is there a restraining order against you coming around her for? The whole situation is just really sad for everyone involved.
Go on there and tell her what you really think. She will actually respond.
Can't be to pissed at each other, they are both wearing the same type of dress to show off their titties!
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The mere fact that Frances is mentioning that she wants to go to college is a healthy thing that shows she's solid. I find it bitterly ironic that shitty parents like Courtney get chance after chance after chance ot fuck up the lives of their children and decent parents who make a mistake get their kids snatched and have to fight tooth and nail to get their child.
Courtney extended her childhood while stealing Frances' childhood from her. To Hell with her.
http://ianundercover.com/2009/12/16/iuc-world-exclusive-kurt-cobains-dau...
"Court is crazy and unfit, but I do get a money hungry, white trash vibe from Kurt's family. Poor Frances can't win."
A long time ago, I watched this conspiracy documentary about this theory that Courtney killed Kurt and it went on and on... and anyway, I remember seeing Kurt's aunt and getting a whitetrash vibe from her too, but then she began speaking and I immediately felt bad for judging her like that.
She seemed to really care about him. She could perhaps have been more helpful when he was going through several problems of financial/personal nature, but I don't know if she was in a position to come and help him anyway, so I'd rather not speculate negatively. They could indeed be greedy, no good people, but I have a feeling they cannot be a greedy and horrible as Court.
BRB.... looking for Youtube links for that documentary... it's actually a good watch.
ETA: Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6EvqHeVXkQ
If it fails, just type "Kurt and Courtney (1998)" on the search box there and youtube will bring the result right away.
I like the interviews with the people who knew Kurt before he became famous.
I think the lost your position line was in reference to her friends in NYC.
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Personally, I think Steven is just one of those natural crackheads. You know, those hos who act strung out, but aren't. They are primarily known as "Born-Again Christians."
How about Frances looking at this woman and thinking someone put an impostor in her mother's place? LOL.
Frances was raised by gran and aunt most of her youth, had a brief spell with mummy. Now mummy lost it once again and Frances goes back to familee. Good on yer girl. They seem to have made a proper job in raising her. Hopefully she'll remain sane.
Sad story with Courtney though. Ruined her face and career. She was hot once as a musician and and actress. Remember Larry Flynt? She was the toast of H'wood. And wasted it all. Serious issues apparently.
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Court is crazy and unfit, but I do get a money hungry, white trash vibe from Kurt's family. Poor Frances can't win.
This situation is probably a combo of that and her being 17 and thinking she knows every-fucking-thing.
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Personally, I think Steven is just one of those natural crackheads. You know, those hos who act strung out, but aren't. They are primarily known as "Born-Again Christians."
poor kid. it makes sense to go this route rather than emancipation...not all 17 year olds, no matter how overly mature they've been forced to be by crazy parents and family situations, want to be legally matured as well. if i had some family, but no parental figures, i'd want to be able to rely on them in this way, especially if i was that young.
good luck kiddo.
Submitted by chica robotica on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:53pm.
I remember that interview! Beforehand I think CL had accused Madonna of biting her style in the press or something and when a journalist asked Madonna what she thought of Courtney Love's remarks she responded with "Who?" During that interview she hijacked CL named off all these perks of being a rock star and Madonna interjected with..."lots of readily available drugs" LOL.
I think people assume FB is smart because she interned a few years ago at Rolling Stone magazine, when as a kid with rock star parents it was assumed she didn't even really have to work, but chose to at an early age. From some of CL's interviews she made it sound like FB was the mother of the two and how FB often chastised her mother for her behavior and clothing choices, that kind of thing.
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Thank goodness Frances is emancipating herself: I would have ddone it sooner!
Courtney needs to shut the hell up already: someone, break her goddam fingers!
Courtney's words were those of a mother who is lashing out because her child has decided to cut the ties for her own sake.
I don't blame Frances.
I would have quit that bitch sooner!
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"Courtney also accused Frances' memaw of killing Kurt Cobain."
I thought the consensus was Courtney killed Kurt.
Submitted by Bossy on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:16pm.
Hah, found this great picture of Frances, Courtney, and Kurt:
http://a.getbackimages.com/uri/w514_h800_cfalse_K0406231925/courtney-lov...
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LOL. I remember an old article where Courtney talked about when she first saw KC, she loved his nose, had to have his nose. I think she was talking about wanting her kids to have his nose and hers (pre-surgery) was terrible that's why she had it done. Well, I think FB got her nose. It's not Kurt's! And I don't care if KC's mom went after part of his estate. IMHO, CL didn't deserve a dime of it, nothing. If she had it, it was only because she had to provide for FB and she screwed that up. How dare she squander his money and leave FB the crusty leftovers? I always have and always will hate CL with a passion. The only time I was mildly amused by her was an (relatively) early MTV interview where Madonna looked sort of scared and apprehensive as CL sort of hijacked her interview. I guess later they made friends or acted like it, but that look on Madonna's face was priceless.
Submitted by Bossy on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:42pm.
You are right. Not only do I have a personal dislike for Courtney (she crack calls a music journo friend of mine at all hours) like I said I am hormonal and moody today which translated itself in sarcasm. Sorry again.
And yes I know what you mean with that example. It is just that you tend to get a vibe of people and their actions. It just seems that whilst CL was being a batshit crazy mess, FB was a sort of... Did any of you guys ever watch Absolutely Fabulous? I imagine FB to be the nerdy daughter Saffie and CL to be mad, drunk Edina.
I may be all wrong and in 2 years time she will be hanging out with Brooke Hogan and Lindsay Lohan and Kurt will be spinning in his grave.
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Submitted by delirio on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:40pm
Thanks. Further proof she's not a Hollywood brat.
Some of those fan vids are creepy.
*edit* she also talked shit about the Lohans for being famewhores.
Submitted by delirio on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:40pm.
Not exactly prove, it's a very short video, but she seems to be nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bq0bZP8VV4
"I don't want the world necessarily" hah, I like that.
@stake_spike, ahhh interviews, that's helpful and along the lines of what I was asking for, thanks.
@GlitterKitty, sorry about the hormones. Anyway, wasn't implying the kid was dumb, just wanted to know how everyone thought that she was smart. The comments seemed like they were based on something beyond her just that she was trying to get away from her mother (don't a lot of teens do that?).
A lot of times people build personalities for celebs or well-known people. For example, "Leave Kim Kardashian alone, she's super sweet and doesn't like being the center of attention". The statements will be based on their general dislike or like for the person or even on movie/tv performances (which are scripted). But in reality, we don't know these people. Interviews and statements written by the person are sometimes as close as we can get. Even when the interviews are semi-scripted, there's a different level of preparation that goes into them than a movie and we get a more realistic glance at what a person is like.
Not exactly prove, it's a very short video, but she seems to be nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bq0bZP8VV4
Submitted by stake_spike on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:36pm.
She was pregnant by Coogan (so she claimed) and I think it was after Flint. A colleague of mine has interviewed her several times when she was still in Hole and I have heard nothing but vile things about her. So I am kinda passionate about this. She is a bitch.
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Submitted by GlitterKitty on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:29pm
Depending on the sources Courtney either worked as a stripper or prosi in Japan when she was 13 or 15 so I guess she picked up some skills. Plus some guys like that whole crazy rock chick and Courtney seems like underneath all the crazy she's probably very intelligent so she can work around not being gorgeous.
However when Norton and Coogan dated her this was after Larry Flint right? She was pretty good looking around that time. That's when she had gotten lippoed and she wasn't a crackhead mess and was working on film career. I think it was the Man on the Moon premiere that she looked banging.
Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 2:30pm.
Jesus fucking CHRIST, this raging cuntwhore piece of dogshit TRASH should have never been a mother, or even BORN! DIE!
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haha well I think Stoney said it all. what more is there to add? Indeed CL just die and make us all happy. And I don't take saying that lightly.....
I feel so sorry for Frances. I don't blame her for wanting to get the fuck away from her crazy-ass mother.
getting emancipated from your parents is 1) a long process 2) depending on what state you live not always possible 3) some states only grant it when you have been abused.
Also if you want to be emancipated, you need your parents signature which I doubt Crackwhore Love is going to give FB anytime soon.
So no I don't think she is seeking publicity, I think the legal process is just not as easy as many seem to think. Losing custody was probably easier and didn't need CL's cooperation.
This hag is absolutely vile. Way to deflect from the fact that you prolly killed him.
She's just pissed that she can't get her paws on any more money for her habit ..she will end up living under a bridge with a shopping cart very soon.