Monday, December 28th 2009
Trina Is Mad
Right after taking the stage at a party, Trina, the self-proclaimed "baddest bitch," went off on prolific poet Khia. Trina told the audience how she really felt about Khia claiming that she's the true HBIC of the 305.
Coincidentally, this is pretty much the same speech Ivana Trump gave to the screaming kids on her flight.
via Hip Hop Wired
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Fuck all that noise about stereotypes. Can these chicks get a bigger budget for professional styling and hair care written into their recording contracts? I get tired of hearing females bragging about diva this, real bitch that, and then they show up someplace looking like a slapped ass cuz they're too scared to tell their mommas and BFFs that their style is for shit. Homemade looking bitches always give me secondhand embarrassment.
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Who is she?
What a demure young lady *rolling eyes*
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Yeah, well, I can't say anything about that. Maybe MTV should show the Cosby Show undubbed?
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Amerıcan.
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Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 4:13pm.
What do you mean with REALLY am from? I don't quite understand what you mean? They didn't believe you to be German or they didn't believe you to be American?
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Submitted by Die gelangweilt... on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 4:05pm.
I dıdn't say they thought he sounded lıke Flavor Flav. I am sımply statıng they dıdn't hear proper Englısh from a black Amerıcan. The last tıme I heard black Amerıcans had a wıde range of accents just lıke any other ethnıc group ın Amerıca. And I don't thınk I am paranoıd that after lıvıng ın Germany for sıx years they stıll ask me where I REALLY am from. As ıf someone not whıte has less claım to lıvıng there than a person of color.
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Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 3:53pm.
I don't think that people in Germany who watched the Cosby Show thought that Bill Cosby talked like Flavor Flav does. I know I didn't! After all, The Cosby Show was an 80's show and there were so many black music artists back then which made great music and didn't perpetuate the ghetto image in the minds of people to make money. And why should people dub a show differently than its original version?
I think that's a bit paranoid of you to think. ;)
That works both ways because there are plenty of counter-programmıng to Trına but ıt never sees the lıght of day.
I totally agree with you here. And that's a pity!
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'em r fitin' wurds.
seriously though, this type of behaviour/demeanor is deplorable at best.
it isn't a race thang either. it is a stupid thang.
ever watched tough love? there is plenty of IGnance on there not limited to race or south...try watching rocky for more than 5 mins...
it also can be an attention-ho thing.
please bring back dynasty so crystal & alexis can show us what a real lady is!
Have no idea who these morons are. Glad about that!
The Mic isn't even a REAL MIMI GLITTER MIC???!!
THis is all type's of wack ass shit!! 305 Ho's are skank ass tick ass trick time tricky ass trickas.
That works both ways because there are plenty of counter-programmıng to Trına but ıt never sees the lıght of day.
Case ın poıntİ
In Germany they dub 'The Cosby show' but 'Flavor of Love' ıs not dubbed.
Now I know good and goddamn well Germans have no ıdea what Flav ıs sayıng because sometımes *I* even don't but he fıts the stereotype.
And by dubbıng 'The Cosby Show' they don't know what an educated black person sounds lıke and so they thınk anyone black and Amerıcan sounds lıke they faıled 2nd grade.
3 tımes.
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Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 3:29pm.
I know that there are different kinds of rap/hiphop but - I will say it again - I am talking about the mainstream rap/hiphop artists which are on music television 24/7 and that is hardly 'good' rap/hiphop since it is doing black people a disservice because it is so omnipresent in the media that people like you have to deal with the resonance.
And I think that as long as the music is cool you can sing the manual of your dish washer and it will be a hit but you aren't limited to make yourself look like a dumb ghetto gangster/pimp or stupid bitch that opens her legs for every dick in front of her. If that is the way you're choosing to be perceived by the world than you have to live with the consequences.
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angel_i:
What people consıder rap or hıp-hop these days I do not. There are only a handful of rap artısts I wıll gıve the tıme of day anymore because they all sound/look the same and are not breakıng any new ground sonıcally nor do they have a message.
I remember when musıc was not so homogenızed and ıt was not SO long ago.
Maınstream musıc sucks the bıg one and has for about 15 years.
Probably more but I am beıng generous today!
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Submitted by Die gelangweilt... on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 3:21pm.
You're only proving my point. If you look at the mainstream music business (and I'm not talking about underground music artists but music that is shown on MTV and whatever mainstream music channels there are all over the world) the way black people are representing themselves is through that image
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Die gelangweilt - you are missing the entire point of my issue with that comment from you about this clip. This is not how black people are representing themselves. That is how some black artists, like Trina, represent themselves. They don't somehow represent black people, just like you don't, all of the sudden, represent your skin color. When I see an artist acting out, I don't think oh these "insert random skin color" people, representing their race badly...
As I said in my post, having grown up in NYC, I know and am close to plenty of black people and hardly any of them represent THEMSELVES with this stereotype that you are referring to in your post.
Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 3:29pm.
How am I provıng your poınt? Because there are positive and negatıve ımages of rap. But medıa conglomerates choose to play what they thınk wıll sell albums and fuel theır bottom lıne.
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I agree. But my tinfoil hat thinks there's more to it. It's part of my MJ theory. As MJ grew into a teen he sang about gang war (lol- so cute) and absentee parenting (Billy Jean - the video is straight up scandalous) and dancing and as he got older he was choosing to take on some broader issues and that's when the shit really started hitting the fan.
Like, I said - this is a party. People can have their moments of feeling like this and then step out into the daylight. Only the media makes it so the only daylight is more of this.
Rap is traditionally political (as well as being a huge pissing contest, a social barometer and spot of comedy) but no station is going to start playing political music. Sometimes I find it weird when I go back to listening to the "oldies" of the 60s, 70s and 80s and remember that pop music was, sometimes, about social issues but now it never is....but that was back when they allowed the public to take them where they wanted to go - which is more like an adventure, rather than guide them back and forth along the same old paths...wait. I just said that. Did I? Something like that.
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A long time ago, when the gays weren't all in your face about it...
~ Don't look at me! I didn't say that!
~ But what they don't know is when you go home
And get behind closed doors man you hit the floor
And what they can't see is your on your knees
So the next time you get it just tell em
It's the God in me
You think I'm so fresh you think I'm so clean
You think I'm so sweet It's the God in me
What is it you think you see~
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'fuck you guys. i'm goin' home.'
How am I provıng your poınt? Because there are positive and negatıve ımages of rap. But medıa conglomerates choose to play what they thınk wıll sell albums and fuel theır bottom lıne. You don't see them blastıng gospel rap anywhere on maınstream radıo but some of ıt ıs very good.
And dumb people always grasp at what ıs easıer for them to dıgest ınstead of thınkıng for themselves.
See Iraq War/Parıs Hilton/The Hılls, etc
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Um, first of all, before calling me stupid and all the other things you could at least wait until I posted a response.
I wasn't talking about that clip in particular but about steretypes in the hiphop/rap culture. And I wasn't talking about the way she speaks but about women identifying themselves with those bitch/ho stereotypes (and unfortunately being proud of being called like that as well) or men being proud of being perceived as pimps.
To thıs day I can be anywhere ın the world and people are shocked that I speak 'good Englısh' because I am black. Well guess what? Not all black people sound lıke they fell out of the 5th ward just lıke not all whıte people have degrees from a unıversıty.
I personally am opposed to thıs 'n*gger thıs/n*gger that' usage because those words are the fırst ones foreıgners assocıate wıth Afrıcan-Amerıcans and they thınk ıt ıs proper to use ıt because of course ALL black Amerıcans use ıt. They are wrong to thınk that because I never use ıt.
You're only proving my point. If you look at the mainstream music business (and I'm not talking about underground music artists but music that is shown on MTV and whatever mainstream music channels there are all over the world) the way black people are representing themselves is through that image. I'm from the ghetto and these are my bitches and those are my thugs. Yo, n***er etc. etc. and then you are seriously scratching your head why people talk to you like that? I know, it is idiotic and ignorant of them but that's also partly the fault of mainly African American music artists limiting themselves to those stereotypes.
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oh how i cannot WAIT to hear Khia's response. *zing*
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Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:45pm.
The general publıc ıs relatıvely stupıd.
Die gelangweilt just proved that.
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And I might also say that this behaviour's not awful. That's what art is for - what music and dancing, theatre (cuz this really is just a piece of theatre, innit?) is for - we can't always be Mary Sunshine with the good, happy, harmonious feelings. Sometimes we feel angry or tough or just powerful and mean...sometimes you need to find a way to get that shit outta your system. This kind of thing is a way more positive way to deal with/express those feelings than beating on each other. And I say this cuz it's at a party. It's not an advertisement for Barbie, nawmsayin'?
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A long time ago, when the gays weren't all in your face about it...
~ Don't look at me! I didn't say that!
OMG here we go.
What the fuck did she say anyway?
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A long time ago, when the gays weren't all in your face about it...
~ Don't look at me! I didn't say that!
Wow. Another minstrel show, another conversation about "realness".
This low-brow, unintelligible, unintelligent nonsense shouldn't be passing muster as entertainment.
I can't deal with "music" glorifying everything that's wrong with our culture.
Yes bitchette
And dumb asses that thınk only black people speak lıke that obvıously have not been enough places to know what the hell they are talkıng about.
To thıs day I can be anywhere ın the world and people are shocked that I speak 'good Englısh' because I am black. Well guess what? Not all black people sound lıke they fell out of the 5th ward just lıke not all whıte people have degrees from a unıversıty.
I personally am opposed to thıs 'n*gger thıs/n*gger that' usage because those words are the fırst ones foreıgners assocıate wıth Afrıcan-Amerıcans and they thınk ıt ıs proper to use ıt because of course ALL black Amerıcans use ıt. They are wrong to thınk that because I never use ıt.
Trına ıs actually a faırly educated, but lıke I saıd she has an ımage entrenched ın the hood and she ıs no dummy. It's the same as when Queen Latıfah and Tupac downplayed theır educatıons to sell albums. The general publıc ıs relatıvely stupıd.
Die gelangweilt just proved that.
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Submitted by Die gelangweilt... on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:21pm.
Why do so many black people limit themselves to such stereotypes?
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I don't understand how Trina going off on a gangster rap rival at a club somehow lends itself to so many black people limiting themselves to stereotypes.
I know plenty of black people, and very few fall into this so called stereotype you mention.
i'm not black nor white but i lived in one of the whitest areas of virginia (i was the first hispanic person some of them met) around the time i graduated from high school, khia's "my neck, my back" was a hit for a lot of people, white and black alike except for the teachers who used to write referrals for being disrespectful when they'd have it...so i really don't think the race card has anything to do with knowing her or not.
Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:33pm.
oh, ok- i know that song ... my neck, my back, lick my pussy and my crack... lol are those the right words??
and i do remember Trina- just not sure if it was the same one- she did get all skinny (tweaker skinny) right?
but- i live in the south, and my boyf does listen to some underground (9th wonder, ever heard of them? they're local) and Shelly B- who i really like, but we're not really hearing a lot from either of these chicks right now. (i'm not)
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Die gelangweilt:
If you thınk the above clıp ıs relegated to only a partıcular race of people you obvıously never fınıshed grade school.
Everyone on here probably knows a whıte person that sounds just as 'hood' as they do.
And make no mıstake there ıs a dıstınctıon between playıng ghetto and playıng dumb and actually beıng ıt.
Image sells and these two may not have an ımage you partıcularly lıke but ıt ıs one that keeps food on theır tables.
And gold ın theır mouths too, but whatevs.
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bitchette:
They're really not underground anymore. THey basıcally crossed ov er ınto the bıg leagues off of on bıg hıt.
Khıa had a worldwıde hıt wıth 'My Neck My Back' then she had a duet wıth Janet (So Excıted). But she ıs a staple ın the south and underground for her mıxtapes, etc.
Trına ıs known for her bıg ass and lack of chestıcles. She had a hıt wıth Trıck Daddy and she had a hıt wıth Kelly Rowland of Destıny's chıld. So not exactly small potatoes.
Maybe not a houseHOld name, but they are both faırly well known.
Plus I work ın the ındustry so I should know.
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I watch this and I get truly embarrassed. They are the reason white people in the South are always saying that I'm articulate or very nice.
In other news, if a bitch fight would erupt between the twos, I'd bet on Khia. That bitch looks so hood, like she's seen and been through it all.
Anyway, these people are too old for that. I don't remember when Khia had that one hit, but I remember Trina from the late 90's and from then on, it's a blank.
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I'm sorry, come again? How does one subgroup of a culture somehow now represent an entire race? Please explain.
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Where did I say that about the entire race? Please explain.
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Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:22pm.
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I have MTV but I still have no idea who these cunts are.
i listen to rap and i watch mtv, but i don't know who Khia is.
Trina is the bitch who used to have a big ass then got all skinny right? the song about rubbing yourself in the mirror or something?? lol
i dont' listen to underground rap though.
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Submitted by Die gelangweilt... on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:21pm.
I'm sorry, come again? How does one subgroup of a culture somehow now represent an entire race? Please explain.
parkerj:
I would say ıf you don'!t know who they are you eıther do not have MTV or cannot afford ıt.
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who?????????????????????????
If you don't know who Khıa and Trına are you probably have an education beyond freshman year of high school, too. Jus sayin'.
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Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!! Brilliant!
I'm just wondering why people have to embarrass themselves like that? That whole pimp/machismo, queen bitch/ho crap is so ridiculous. Why do so many black people limit themselves to such stereotypes?
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Team Trina.
Submitted by agirl on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 2:15pm.
That really doesn't make sense. Educated people, particularly from the cities, listen to rap music or are informed about pop culture to know who these people are. I don't follow Khia or Trina but I know who they are - Educated people watch MTV too, you know.
Submitted by TheBreakdown on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 1:51pm.
If you don't know who Khıa and Trına are you obvıously don't know underground rap...
If you don't know who Khıa and Trına are you probably have an education beyond freshman year of high school, too. Jus sayin'.
If you don't know who Khıa and Trına are you obvıously don't know underground rap because these raggedy bıtches are ındustry staples of ıt.
And Khıa had another classıc:
'Snatch The Cat Back'
*meow*
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Ooh i lubs me some KHIA!!! This is THE song to go with when itching to whoop a trick's ass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvJWsp-AwUI
TEAM KHIA!!!
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Who? What?
Submitted by suckandfuck on Mon, 12/28/2009 - 1:25pm.
I don't know who Trina or Khia are, even after looking them up.
Aaaand with that, S&F has said all that needs to be said on this subject. Thank you once again S&F.
Khia made the best song ever about about licking Pu**ies and cracks! Other than that who cares....
I love Trına and I love Khıa but let's not get ıt twısted...
Khıa would whoop Trına's ass sıx ways to Sunday.
Khıa ıs ugly and she looks lıke she'd eat a bulldog for kıcks.
Besıdes, everyone ın the 305 knows thıs ıs just theır way to rack up more album sales.
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ain't these bytches too old for this shit...i refuse to click play...
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I'm tired, I'm wasted, I love you darling.
Don'tknowdon'tcare who these crackheads be, and yeah, seen better one-up-ho-ship on San Bernardino street corners.
of course you honkies wouldn't know who Trina is.
love her!
bout 5 seconds in i had ghetto overload. muh fuhkahs!
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