Marie Osmond's Son Commits Suicide

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Another one lost to depression...GAWD!! It seems like every time I log onto to D-listed someone's dead!! geezzzz. SAD!!

Ugh super sad.

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sunny on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 8:41pm.

I really like reading your posts!

He was prob gay & couldn't take the Mormon shame.

Poor kid its a shame. RIP.

RIP...so sad.

Was he Marie's biolgical kid? I seem to remember Marie talking about her bipolar depression, maybe I am mistaken.

Just sad.
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"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."

i dont pretend to know the details of this case or this family....

but basically I'm always curious as to WHY celebrities...yes even Angelina & Brad...decide to adopt a shitload of kids???

I mean i get that marie is mormon....but what in her life gave her the bright idea that she could give all these kids an ideallic life???

2 failed marriages??? Her own depression & unhappiness???

I dont want to be too hard on her cause this is a sad situation, but sometimes i just wish people wouldnt think they are more capable than they are

Submitted by chica robotica on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 7:59pm.
Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 5:13pm.

Sorry if I was being confusing. As I quoted you, I thought I'd cite you. ;) That was your post, wasn't it? I was actually agreeing with you anyway. Agreeing with you and then maybe wandering off on a tangent. It's my way. Just ignore it if it bothers.

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I think I just misunderstood your post! Sorry if mine to you sounded grouchy, because that was not how I meant it, and I too agreed with your post as well. I think we are all good now! : )

Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 5:13pm.

Sorry if I was being confusing. As I quoted you, I thought I'd cite you. ;) That was your post, wasn't it? I was actually agreeing with you anyway. Agreeing with you and then maybe wandering off on a tangent. It's my way. Just ignore it if it bothers.

LawDog on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 6:34pm.

No parent should ever have to bury their child.

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Succinct and compassionate.

Thank you.

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Submitted by dcgirl on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 2:44pm.
Would it be right to say of a depressed war soldier, who through his or her duty has seen or participated in the most horrific of occurrences, that any thoughts of suicide to be free of the mental pictures of war is selfish? Outside of war, anyone, at any moment, can experience a traumatic event and as a consequence be at risk of depression.

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Amen, sister. My uncle was 17 when he ran away to join the Navy after Pearl Harbor in 1941. His first job in the South Pacific was to row out to the islands and retrieve the bodies (and body PARTS) of his fallen U.S. soldiers. He was 17!! How many 17 year olds do you know nowadays who could do that? he was plagued by depression and PTSS hsi whole life after that. He was one of the kindest, gentlest men I've ever met, but that experience changed him.
We don't know what causes depression, btu we can damn well do our best to help those who suffer from it (including myself). My sympathies to the whole Osmond family.

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Looks like Marie is wearing a Betsey Johnson heart in that photo.

Submitted by chica robotica on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 5:07pm.

Sorry Chica, I am not really understanding your post or what it has to do with me?

Another poster made a comment that she and Sarah Palin run around preaching family values.

I have never heard Marie preaching family values to others. I have only known her to live her life.

I am neither conservative nor am I liberal, so I am not sure why you took my post as some conservative thing.

I simply have never hear about Marie Osmond preaching to others how to live their lives.

Crying or showing emotion is not a sign of "weakeness". I wish people could get over that notion, especially men.

Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 2:26pm.

She is twice divorced, she has dealt with depression after the birth of her last child, she was supportive of her son and his battles, she has a gay daughter who she is proud of, so where do you get she is preaching family values.
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For the paragraph above, I consider MO to be a good example of someone who does have family values. And while she's often come off as goody-goody, I don't think she's ever actually been preachy. An example would be she turned down the role of Sandy in Grease bc it depicted teenage, premarital sex but after the movie was made, she was never disparaging about Olivia Newton-John (who took the role) and they actually seemed friendly and worked together. Being conservative doesn't automatically mean overbearingly preachy. As a liberal, I have to respect a conservative difference of opinion -- on principle at the very least.

Was this the same kid who was in rehab? Very sad story.

Submitted by original putas on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 9:52am.
Its all about perspective. You're healthy and "depressed" then you have a lot of time to pick the lint from your belly button. If tomorow you discoverd that you have a fatal illness, then all of your resources are going to be redirected towards healing from that.

A-a-a-n-n-n-d THAT further illustrates that you've never had someone who's depressed trust you enough to be brutally honest with you, which I guess somewhat excuses your ignorance of the condition. Someone living with untreated or insufficiently-treated depression that's organic in origin is unlikely to put ANY energy into fighting a terminal illness--generally they'll let it take it's course and consider it a sign that their time has come; a gift from fate that will remove them from their interminable misery without the stigma of suicide. They might *tell* others they're fighting the terminal illness, just to keep well-meaning but obtuse people(as well as mean-spirited, ignorant people who don't believe chronic clinical depression that's unrelated to any life situtation exists) from harassing them or feeling sorry for them or from worrying about them.
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Here again is the link to an excellent PBS documentary on the disease of Depression. I urge all of us who have questions or doubts to watch it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/depression/video-ch_01.html

Of note is the the segment about depression triggered by PTSD. How can anyone judge someone who has experienced a traumatic event, such as war and say that that person should just snap out of it? Would it be right to say of a depressed war soldier, who through his or her duty has seen or participated in the most horrific of occurrences, that any thoughts of suicide to be free of the mental pictures of war is selfish? Outside of war, anyone, at any moment, can experience a traumatic event and as a consequence be at risk of depression.

Submitted by Pimpcessa on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:57pm.

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We all learn compassion from the people we meet in life and it does take an accumulation of years before we get it right. I think Flatbush will acquire the sensitivity and tolerance that is missing in her posts here, in due time and with maturity. I hate sounding like my mother did when I was 21 but it is true that you think you have all the answers when you are young and 20 years later you look back and realize how little you actually did know. I am sure the same will happen to me 20 years from now!
I have been surprised by many regular posters on this thread. There are posters who I've always enjoyed reading, and will continue to do so, that have surprised me with their lack of understanding and empathy. You get the impression that you know the personalities of posters by the comments they post and then a charged topic such as this thread comes along and completely changes that impression. I don't judge people based on one particular opinion they may have but I will say that this thread has been an eye-opener.

Has Marie released a statement yet, or do we have to spend the next week questioning her state of mind? I seriously, strongly hope she is managing to remain somewhat there, at least for her other children. I don't even want to think of how the kids are taking it. Ughh.... ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ “Why is it good to die for one’s country? Isn’t it better to live in New York?” - Bar Refaeli

Submitted by TrashyWilma on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 2:21pm.

People like Marie Osmond and Palin can preach family values all they want, but who is watching their kids?
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OMG! Bristol jumped too?

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Yes exactly like the girl from Real World. She was an asshole but it didn't make her any less ill. Granted being sick doesn't give one license to be a buttwipe but it happens. Humans are human. And no, it's not a nice disease to live with. But shit happens & you deal.

In the end, people believe what they want, some listen and some hide their heads. I just try to throw out info that may help someone get well and gain their lives back again someday.

Okay enough preaching outta my ass. You can all stop snoring now:P

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Submitted by TrashyWilma on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 2:21pm.

Sorry, but you are kind of misinformed about Marie, becauseI have never heard her preaching at all about family values.

She is twice divorced, she has dealt with depression after the birth of her last child, she was supportive of her son and his battles, she has a gay daughter who she is proud of, so where do you get she is preaching family values.

She grew up Mormon and loves her family. Is that being preachy?

Tick-borne illnesses? Like the crazy chick on "Real World Seattle" who got slapped?

Nice!

This story is depressing. People like Marie Osmond and Palin can preach family values all they want, but who is watching their kids?

Life isn't for everybody. If it's sucked your entire life, it's probably not suddenly going to get better halfway through. But 18 is far too young to give up. It's sad he had nobody to save him.

That is really sad. Suicide in a young person always brings me down. It is sad reqardless, but especially in a young person. RIP Michael.

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I actually like to read many of Flatbushes posts too. She isn't trying to be condescending (at least I don't think so) but much of what she has posted here on this subject is a bit. I had a friend years ago (and have had a few since) that suffered from depression and had to take meds, and I was always trying to get her to just snap out of it and get on with her wonderful life. And there was no way in hell she was able to do it. She just retreated more and more. And it wasn't until years later that I spoke with her and she told me that, although she realized that my intentions were good, it was hard for her to be around me after a while because she just couldn't achieve what she thought I wanted from her. She felt she had to be someone else around me. That was when I realized I should have been a better friend to her. I really couldn't inderstand why she couldn't just be happy and she felt stupid and inferior around me.

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Wow, I'm not sorry I missed this thread yesterday...SHEEEEZ What a clusterfuck. Nothing is ever black and white and there aren't definitive answers for many things.

Seriously though, in some cases mental illness symptoms can also be caused and/or brought out with tick-borne illnesses. They are 10 times more common than AIDS, yet underreported and under-treated.

Actually anyone with chronic illness should look into tick-borne diseases. For a really informative eye opener, go look up a film called, "Under Our Skin" on google or Youtube. You will be shocked, trust.

Well that is my PSA for the day :D

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Submitted by Pimpcessa on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:28pm.
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What a coincidence! when I was 12, I really believed I knew it all too, just like Flatbush! It wasn't till I hit 20 that I realized I didn't know shit! I can get angry about it though, I've always been better than everyone else!!! AHAHAHA!

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Submitted by Pimpcessa on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:19pm.

Flatbush
I believe that YOU believe what you're saying. But I KNOW that when you generalize what is wrong and how to fix it you with different people you can be very wrong. Youth and inexperience are showing in your posts. Although, I believe you are coming from a good place with your "advice" and are certainly entitled to your opinion, I do also believe that it's statement like yours that keep many people from seeking the "qualified" help they really need. When someone is in that dark of a place in their mind and cannot find the light at the end of the tunnel, the last thing they need is some unqualified armchair psychologist telling them to jst "snap out of it, life is so wonderful, I was depressed once and I got over it". Not all people suffer from the same issues nor the same degree of their issues. Again, I don't think you are trying to be uncaring or harsh, I just think you may have a different opinion of this after 15 or 20 years when life has thrown you a few more curve balls... But you should know that it can feel a little patronizing to hear what you are saying when you have no idea what someone else is experiencing.

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Bravo! Very well put. You have the eloquence that I seemed to have lost on this thread. This (depression, suicide, anti-depressant meds) is a topic that gets me quite emotional and when that happens, I have a difficult time managing my words. That is not usual for me. I am a wordy gal by nature.
Thanks for stating it so perfectly.

OMG Is that Rachel Ray sucking on a lollypop like a little whore on the sidebar? How bizarre.

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Taking slang to a HO. NUDDA. LEBEL!~ For real, eh?

Flatbush Hooker, usually I am totally down with all your comments, love your presence here tons and often think your no-bullshit approach to life is spot on. Today, however, I must say that your views on depression are...well...depressing. I will chalk it up to your age which I didn't know before today. It sounds like you've had many significant life experiences in your short 21 years and I am in no way dismissing them or your opinion. Being young doesn't mean you can't have an opinion but I think that years down the road you will feel differently or at least find a more respectful and compassionate way of expressing it.

And...not totally aimed at just you FH, but to all here. This thread has really saddened me. I think we can all acknowledge that meds are over-prescribed and I believe it is because that is what patients want. They want to go to the Dr and walk out with a fix-it-all script. They don't want to spend good time and money to be told there's nothing wrong or that they need to do the solution that takes longer or requires more attention...such as exercise, therapy, weight loss, etc. We are a society that expects instant gratification and we have this sense of entitlement to perpetual happiness that other cultures around the globe don't have. That being said though, not every case of meds being prescribed is unnecessary. Depression is a real mental illness with several different protocols of treatment. If it is a medication that gets a patient back out into the light, from their darkness, so be it. If someone needs only talk therapy then wonderful for them. Most of the psych meds have such horrible side effects that even those who do feel helped by them, eventually lose their desire to take their meds. That is when tragedy happens and it's not because taking meds screwed them up when they were just fine to begin with. It is a rebound effect that is well known and warned about. You should never abruptly cease taking any med without talking to a Dr.
I think that there is a ton of generalizations being flung around in here along with a whole lot of projecting. I think some of the most vocal opponents (I won't name names) to the validity of clinical depression, how it is diagnosed and treated are actually fearful that they are experiencing it themselves and do not want to acknowledge it because of the stigma and/or embarrassment. I hope those people who may participating in the rampant projection that has been occurring here are able to find the humility and self-awareness it takes to go seek help. May they be able to surrender to the notion that a professional may know more than them about how to treat a mental illness, even if that means pills. If a certain Dr doesn't seem qualified or willing to prescribe anything beyond an anti-depressant, such as talk therapy, cognitive behavior therapy, exercise, diet changes, etc. then seek out another. There are some out there that truly are concerned for their patients and aren't acting on pharmaceutical company incentives. If what ails you is a mental illness or condition, don't allow your GP to treat you. Go see a psychiatrist.
Above all, treat others with respect and compassion. You can never understand how someone else perceives reality or what their coping mechanisms/tools are. If you can just brush things off and will yourself into contentment, good for you. I don't buy it, but if you think you are able to will away an illness, all the more power to you. Don't belittle those who seek treatment in the form of a pill or in any manner.

Submitted by Pimpcessa on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:28pm.

Lory
It may be a waste of time to continue explaining to Flatbush. When I was 21, I really believed I knew it all too. It wasn't till I hit 30 that I realized I didn't know shit! I can't get angry about it though, I was pretty mch the same, haha.
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That's funny. That's what I was contemplating saying. We all have to be where we are. I guess that's the whole village thing too, right...and personal responsibility even...

Cuz when you seek help, you're going to get a lot of different opinions based on facts (becuz experiences ARE facts) - some with more conviction than others - it's important to learn how to separate the personal from the objective in the information you receive. There's good information in almost every opinion - you just have to pick through it to get at what you need.

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Submitted by Lory on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:23pm.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*holds moist cakey sides that hurt from laughing*

Lory
It may be a waste of time to continue explaining to Flatbush. When I was 21, I really believed I knew it all too. It wasn't till I hit 30 that I realized I didn't know shit! I can't get angry about it though, I was pretty mch the same, haha.

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Submitted by Flatbush Hooker... on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:02pm.

At one point I wanted to be a shrink but after actually visiting one and seeing how absolutely fucked up it is to work with media brainwashed idiots who think or believe certain things.
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Submitted by Lory on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:11pm.
Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:03pm.

Submitted by Lory on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 12:53pm.
I am really really hungry... Sad thing is I got hungry just by looking at Evil Cupcake's picture. I want pink frosting with a cherry on top damn it!!!

EDIT- ANY YOU CAN'T HAVE MY CHERRY! I AM SAVING IT FOR MARRIAGE!
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Hey now! I can send a cousin or two your way, but do not be looking at me in that way! I know your type! ; )
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LMAO! Sorry EC, but can you blame me? I like my coffee sweet and my cupcakes pure. But I will be respectful of your cherry... Can I lick it?

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Just the tip!

Flatbush
I believe that YOU believe what you're saying. But I KNOW that when you generalize what is wrong and how to fix it you with different people you can be very wrong. Youth and inexperience are showing in your posts. Although, I believe you are coming from a good place with your "advice" and are certainly entitled to your opinion, I do also believe that it's statement like yours that keep many people from seeking the "qualified" help they really need. When someone is in that dark of a place in their mind and cannot find the light at the end of the tunnel, the last thing they need is some unqualified armchair psychologist telling them to jst "snap out of it, life is so wonderful, I was depressed once and I got over it". Not all people suffer from the same issues nor the same degree of their issues. Again, I don't think you are trying to be uncaring or harsh, I just think you may have a different opinion of this after 15 or 20 years when life has thrown you a few more curve balls... But you should know that it can feel a little patronizing to hear what you are saying when you have no idea what someone else is experiencing.

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Submitted by islandgirl on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:14pm.

Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:11pm.
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Frostbite.
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AW:(

♥ Threadkilla!
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Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:11pm.
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Frostbite.

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Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:04pm.

Ok - but this is awesome *watching, laughing*
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have you never seen that episode? it's AWESOME. and it has sue ann nivens! she was quite a tomato eh?
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Are you kidding me. I've seen them all, I'm sure! Of course, I was but a babe when that was on so what the hell do *I* know?! It was cool watching that just now - like seeing a buncha long lost aunts and uncles ha!

♥ Threadkilla!
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Submitted by islandgirl on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:04pm.

Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:01pm.
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:P :P :P!!!!

xox

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*smooch*

Um...what happened to your pussy?

♥ Threadkilla!
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Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:03pm.

Submitted by Lory on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 12:53pm.
I am really really hungry... Sad thing is I got hungry just by looking at Evil Cupcake's picture. I want pink frosting with a cherry on top damn it!!!

EDIT- ANY YOU CAN'T HAVE MY CHERRY! I AM SAVING IT FOR MARRIAGE!
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Hey now! I can send a cousin or two your way, but do not be looking at me in that way! I know your type! ; )
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LMAO! Sorry EC, but can you blame me? I like my coffee sweet and my cupcakes pure. But I will be respectful of your cherry... Can I lick it?

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Flatbush: I was you once. Didn't believe it. Thought I would always be happy. Mocked those who said they where feeling it. Now going through it myself I wish I didn't brush it off. You never know what will set it off. Fact is... you don't choose it. It's medically documented in my doctors file that mental illness i.e depression is passed down genetically in my family.

Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:04pm.

Ok - but this is awesome *watching, laughing*
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have you never seen that episode? it's AWESOME. and it has sue ann nivens! she was quite a tomato eh?

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Depression is the worst. I would not wish it on my worst enemy. Ever. RIP Michael.

I spent a lot of time betweeen last night and this morning looking at that dang Crumbs website... I want a cupcake so bad:(

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Submitted by Flatbush Hooker... on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 12:16pm.

Now I dun wana be a bitch but Depression is bunch of bullshit
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Did u learn all dat in advertisement school? Or did all that enlightenment just popped into your head the minute you turned 21?

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Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 1:01pm.
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:P :P :P!!!!

xox

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