The Legendary Grace Jones Speaks The Truth
Lady Gaga has been accused of swagger snatchin' from the likes of Roisin Murphy, Vadge, Heat Miser, Marge Simpson, the glamorous crackhead at Rockefeller Center who wears trash bags as gowns, Dale Bozzio and Grace Jones. Well, the latter is speaking up about Lady Gaga trying to rip the wig off her head (so to speak) and she's not happy about it.
When The Guardian (via Access Hollywood) asked Grace what she thinks about Lady Gaga, she said, “I really don’t think of her at all. I go about my business." SHUT DOWN! KILLED OFF! KICKED BY A UNICORN! PIMP SLAPPED! CHOCHA SLAMMED! Etc...etc...
They also asked Grace if Gaga ever asked to worked with her, “Yes, she did, but I said no. I’d just prefer to work with someone who is more original and someone who is not copying me, actually."
Grace is one of the original weirdos, so if you have to be kicked to the ground, pushed into the gutter and shat upon, it might as well be by her. Speaking of Grace's caca, I bet it looks like this.
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"Ladies, Madonna wasn't original but she came along at a crucial moment in the music industry. She wasn't a great dancer, didn't have a great voice yet she had a calculating mind, great marketing ability and a sexual charisma she knew how to exploit. And like all good artists she was a little bit of a thief.
Like Madonna then, LG has very little competition out there. The test will be how long can she sustain her career, this is just the early stage.
I think what some may see as shallowness is more symptomatic of our times as we live in a society where the top show on tv is "American Idol."
^^^ this.
hate her, love her, Gaga has an insanely talented marketing team behind her, and drops catchy songs and pretty legitimately produced music videos. Grace jones can bitch and moan all she wants, but she'll never, ever, be able to compete with Gaga. the end.
I find so freaking hilarious people saying that they don't have a clue about Grace Jones like "if I don't know someone, then they are nothing". LOL
More like "If you don't know her, then you are just one of the billions ignorant people who can't live out the mainstream bubble". How pitiful.
I find so freaking hilarious people saying that they don't have a clue about Grace Jones like "if I know someone, then they are nothing". LOL
More like "If you don't know her, then you are just one of the billions ignorant people who can't live out the mainstream bubble". How pitiful.
I find so freaking hilarious people saying that they don't have a clue about Grace Jones like "if I know someone, then they are nothing". LOL
More like "If you don't know her, then you are just one of the billions ignorant people who can't live out the mainstream bubble". How pitiful.
GRACE JONES CAN FKU ME ANYTIME
LADY GAGA GO SUCK YOUR OWN DICK
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LADY GAGA GO SUCK YOUR OWN DICK
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Grace Jones will wipe the floor with Gaga. I bow down to the altar of Grace Jones & Bjork.
Gaga is Imogen Heap with a bigger budget. She has quickly become a corporate shill.
A generation raised on N'sync, Britney Spears and the shit music of the 90s could not recognize originality if it walked up and bit them in the ass.
Those of us who were alive in the 80's have pretty much already seen and heard what Gaga has to offer.
Now get off my f'in lawn.
Submitted by parkerj on Mon, 04/19/2010 - 7:33am.
Grace Jones is FIERCENESS personified. Lady Gaga.. not so much.
The more I see of Gaga, the more apparent it is to me that she has virtually no self confidence as a female or as an artist.
She is basically at any one time, a copy of 5-10 artists that have gone before her.
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Grace Jones is FIERCENESS personified. Lady Gaga.. not so much.
The more I see of Gaga, the more apparent it is to me that she has virtually no self confidence as a female or as an artist.
She is basically at any one time, a copy of 5-10 artists that have gone before her.
I cannot believe this thread has grown this long over something so easy to see.
Gaga's mainstream success is only possible because of who she is copying, and one of those people IS Grace Jones.
I give her credit for knowing who the hell she IS copying, but still, she is no Grace Jones.
For Grace Jones to be even be this known in an age where there was nowhere near the technology is amazing. And for people calling her an 'underground sensation', that would also be false. Just because people in The United States have no idea who she is, go to anywhere else in the world and she is held in the same regard as the pop icons you all see on MTV in the United States.
When Gaga has conquered music, films, the runways, and feminism, let me know.
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Gaga is an Illuminati Puppet! Fucking whore...
I'm glad Grace has finally called GaGa out for stealing her image and stylish outfits. I can't believe GaGa would have the balls to then ask Grace to collaborate. I'm sure Grace had a good laugh at that fame hungry copycat. Grace may not be as big as GaGa is today but at least there was no Grace Jones before her. there have been countless other GaGa's who have all done it so much better!
in the video for "Telephone", instead of putting in the ingredients for poison, they should have put the ingredients for how to make a Lady GaGa: In large, plastic bowl, mix 1 part David Bowie, 2 parts Freddie Mercury, 3 parts Madonna, 1 part Róisín Murphy, 3 parts Grace Jones and hock a loogie in it. Serve at room temperature.
I hear you, bambam.
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Welllll you have a point but the level of talent she represents does have some relevance. If you use her as the standard for today's artists then Lady GaGa looks a lot better. Just sayin.
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Wellllll.......lemme just say that I think Britney has no place in this discussion.
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Submitted by angel_i on Mon, 04/19/2010 - 12:35am.
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What are you holding your tongue for?
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~Submitted by Miss Thang on Mon, 04/19/2010 - 12:16am.
"perhaps it's enough to just have courage"
what courage has she displayed? Being fearless in wearing avant garde couture? lol I mean, come on! What barrier has she broken? She is soooo tired. I cant stand it. To me, Kesha and Gaga are the same. It's just that Gaga has a bigger budget.
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i wasn't referring to Gaga - i was thinking about what it takes to be an artist. being cracked or being a force are things that are out of your control. having courage is something you can control. i guess i was being a little abstract.
no, the impression i get from Gaga is gifted, privileged, trust fund. "beautiful and dirty rich".
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now, time to go rinse my brain out with some psychic mind-wash. lemony fresh!
nuh uh, angel...let it all hang out, girl.
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Submitted by bambam on Mon, 04/19/2010 - 12:32am.
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When it's all said and done, isn't that what life's all about? :)
Haven't seen it but would love to see a showdown between her and Sharon Osbourne.
*bites tongue*
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Submitted by islandgirl on Mon, 04/19/2010 - 12:29am.
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Oooooo, good observation. And I just saw her on the Apprentice tonight.
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Here's what I think. :)
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Ladies, Madonna wasn't original but she came along at a crucial moment in the music industry. She wasn't a great dancer, didn't have a great voice yet she had a calculating mind, great marketing ability and a sexual charisma she knew how to exploit. And like all good artists she was a little bit of a thief.
Like Madonna then, LG has very little competition out there. The test will be how long can she sustain her career, this is just the early stage.
I think what some may see as shallowness is more symptomatic of our times as we live in a society where the top show on tv is "American Idol."
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Miss Thang -- Live and let live?
"perhaps it's enough to just have courage"
what courage has she displayed? Being fearless in wearing avant garde couture? lol I mean, come on! What barrier has she broken? She is soooo tired. I cant stand it. To me, Kesha and Gaga are the same. It's just that Gaga has a bigger budget.
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at this point, I actually do have more respect for Britney Spears than I do for Gaga, and that's saying A LOT. She is authentic. She doesnt pretend to be something she is not.
mcnightmare, I don't drink all the conspiracy Kool-aid, but I do think there's something to it. People overreact and think that "Oh, saying they're worshipping the devil is an over the top crazy thing to say." Worshipping the devil doesnt mean you're actually kneeling in from of an alter to Satan or some shit, it means you have sold your soul. Your have no morals or standards for yourself. You stand for absolutely NOTHING other than the almighty dollar. You don't give a fuck how what you do damages others. You are a public figure yet feel you have zero responsibility to your audience or to society in general. As an artist, you're supposed to create, not destroy. I feel Gaga has turned herself into something that glorifies some of the ugliest parts of ourselves as Americans. And she's not even being ironic about it.
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Miss Thang -- My sex is… WHOOOH! HAHAHHA!
There's a time to be kissy and sensual with some Luther Vandross playing in the back and then there's a time to mimic a contortionist doing a split, a back flip, and a stag handstand on a dick listening to Gaga's Telephone. ;)
angel_i, i agree she's clever, a hard worker, a good mimic.
ii just don't feel she's been cracked into pieces and put herself back together.
or that she came into this world with a force that no one could tame.
maybe those things are too much to ask.
perhaps it's enough to just have courage,
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Submitted by tsklala on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:35pm.
"People" follow Gaga because she is the most interesting thing they've seen in a while and they want to know what she's all about. People like shiny things. For a little while. Then they move on. Also, people are so hungry for a unifying force in pop music, so hungry for a true artist to come forth from the desert that is the music industry, that they are forced to SETTLE for Gaga. She's the one they're using all their resources to push right now. And like a vulgar whore of the lowest order, she allows herself to be pimped and debased as an "artist" and a human being.
"Sex" someone while listening to her music? wtf kind of sex do you do? I make my own rhythm, and if I do need some inspiration, I'd more likely choose an artist that put some kind of love, soul, or feeling into their music and imagery.
She is completely shallow and vulgar. That's all there is to it.
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Submitted by mcnightmare on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:03pm.
part of my problem with Gaga is that she feels - hollow. there is no sense of having paid some *dues* - she;'s like vegan ravioli to me.
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You know what? I feel the opposite - it's what I like about her. I see a girl who took the time to study...just that she knows how to copy all these people is something and...well, it's often a stepping-stone on the way to proving oneself. (
I always remember an excellent vid shown to me by ribbontie, I think, proving that Britney could sing. And yes - she could....she could even improv! Impresssive! Never having heard of the song Stand By Me? Not so impressive. I consider that a hint that Britney never took.)
And I feel a love for those things coming off her. I like the way she always comes ready to work - she's obviously trained in dance while she's been up there cuz when she came out she was Kesha. It's not really natural to her but she' much better.
I just feel like she's cursed by living when she does. Part of her has her head up her ass like a coke-crazed CEO and that's scary.
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oh wait, one more thing.
sly and robbie,
that is all.
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Submitted by tsklala on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 10:47pm.
Fuck both Grace and Gaga. Bitches tire me out!
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LOL! For true. Becuz back in the day bitches had to fight for Grace the way you're fighting for Gaga...I wonder who her nemesis was...Diana Ross? LOL! I dunno. But yeah - I really do kinda look at it like a same shit, different day kinda thing.
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Thirty plus years later it's kinda of hard to explain what it was like when Grace Jones broke out on the scene. She was fierce and had an authenticity that I just don't feel coming from GaGa. Compared to Grace, GaGa's like a dweeby Coca-Cola puppet playing dress-up. I like seeing what costumes she comes up with but her whole schtick with her "monsters" just feels like children playing compared to what was going on with Grace Jones. Same goes for Madonna.
Grace turned down appearing at Coachella this year (good move). Thirty years later people are still interested in Grace. GaGa doesn't seem like she has that kind of staying power.
I wasn't a fan of Grace Jones and only knew a few of her songs but there was no denying that she was/is in a class by herself.
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Miss Thang -- You may be right but, consider the millions of others. PEOPLE make these people. Gaga wouldn't be possible if everyone rejected the idea of HER. Now you may object to her and what not but… millions of others may feel something else for her. For instance, maybe her music isn't for the individuals that like to FEEL their music but what if people want to listen to her in a club or when they're smashing? You ever sex somebody listening to Poker Face or Telephone? LOL! Adds pace and rhythm. :P
I'm a fan of music but just because I like to listen to Gaga in certain situations doesn't make me any less better than you because you feel that you have a superior taste in music. For me, Delerium over Gaga any day! Thousands of other artists over Gaga but I'm still a Gaga fan. I don't think that makes me an ignorant person. AND it doesn't. Shit, I can't stand to look at Lil' Wayne but sometimes his shit be catchy!
Now, this whole thing is comparable to Christina and Britney. Christina has a voice that can send shivers up our asses. Britney -- Not so much. But, who was more successful back in the day (late 90's, early 2000's)? Who's in the Book of World records?
Christina's "Walk away" song can take down any of Britney's and barely any people know about that song. Britney, on the other hand, dominated the POP scene with her music. All about sexing, clubbing, hitting, etc..
Regardless of talent in this circumstance, one is more successful in terms of the POP Icon Culture.
… and that's my point.
grace is a true artist who has aligned herself with true artists. lady caca glues a piece of rubbish to her head and tries to convince everyone that it's 'art'. there's no comparison.
Yes, the fact that we have become a culture where fame and money trumps authenticity and being true to yourself IS shallow. Gaga will not last. People actually have to FEEL your music in a deep way in order for you to have a lasting legacy as an artist. If anything, her legacy will have more to do with her "avant garde" fashion being so acceptable in the public eye, which has nothing to do with her "artistry." And before you say I'm old and I just don't "get it", I'd like to add that I'm in my mid-20s and haven't been able to listen to any Top 40 stations for at least 6-7 years because pop music has gotten so ridiculously bad. It's not just pop music, though. It's pop culture as a whole. It has gone downhill considerably the last 10 years. Gaga is just a symptom of a deeper problem.
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Submitted by mcnightmare on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:03pm.
do you believe the Illuminati theories, then?
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Some people measure success by the bottom line, period. There's nothing wrong with that but life in the States is much more complicated than that. I hate to inject the issue of "societal values" into the mix but it is a very real consideration when it comes to public acceptance.
If a person has a substantial, distinctive talent yet doesn't have a look that appeals to the majority, in this country at least, it has a definite effect on their earning potential.
It's a fact that's been played out time and again over the years.
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Submitted by caprica six on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 7:11pm.
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you can slap me because I never heard of Grace Jones before (blame my stupidity for this)..I wanted to say thank you for sharing this. this is pure diamond! love it! I need to listen to her songs more than today's crappy myuzik
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no worries. thx for the vid compliment. singing w/ Pavarotti is NO small feat whatsodamnever! it's pretty intimidating and you can tell even Grace Jones was a bit nervous up there tryna be the opera diva to match the gravity of the Great Pavarotti. anywho, 'nite. til next time.
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Submitted by mcnightmare on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:03pm.
Gaga feels hollow because she is soul-less. There is no substance whatsoever. There's really just, nothing much to her. You don't have a visceral/emotional reaction to her music because her music drones on and lulls you into a trance. Her music is meant to hypnotize and numb you, not meant to wake you up or inspire you to do anything of any worth.
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Miss Thang -- You might consider this a shallow answer but -- massive fame, some kind of legacy and money? Most people want that, if not all. To be very famous, to be very rich, to leave a legacy behind... and for the most part -- to be liked. Although, liked? -- not that important, right?
Can't please everybody.
"Gaga has accomplished more when it comes to pleasing the "ignorant" majority and the mainstream AND her career..."
Still not quite sure why this is a GOOD thing.
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Submitted by angel_i on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 10:46pm.
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no doubt - but i was thinking about her childhood, wondering - she's from Trenchtown, Jamaica, which would put her in the same time and place as Bob Marley and the Wailers - but what different outcomes!
i think if you are going to come out with something that is *that* unique, so powerful, it doesn't come from jumping on a trend and just imitating it (which is what this whole discussion has been about, right?). not that they weren't exploiting whatever they could to make it in the music business - bit there was something deeper there.
part of my problem with Gaga is that she feels - hollow. there is no sense of having paid some *dues* - she;'s like vegan ravioli to me. no body, no substance. david bowie and grace jones both gave the visceral impression of having earned their kooky-ness, even though they approached their art differently. it wasn't just a series of well -executed gimmicks.
maybe she had some eccentric aunties. she works the "Fear of African-ness" masterfully.
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Gaga makes me scared. Her hunger for sex and violence is worse than a gay gorehound.
yup, Bowie n Jones were tight back in the day. *team Jones*
However, Gaga's tunes are catchy n at least she possesses talent (songwriting, instrument playing, etc.), unlike britney et al. plus, i saw somewhere that Gaga's also influenced by Bowie (might explain why she asked Jones to collaborate - to possibly learn/glean more of their unique style).
it would be interesting to see her evolve artistically in the years to come.
*slunks back to reading* 'nite all.
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Damn, JaneDoe, you were civil with that response to that ridiculous comment. My urban NJ upbringing brought the vulgar bitch out of me.
angel_i -- You make a lot of sense and I really like it. I enjoy conversing with people that actually contribute and your thinking got me thinking -- that's always good. Rarely can people put me in my place. But, Gaga's not done yet. Her product placement will pile the $$ up and… I don't know. Based on what i read about Grace Jones in the past two hours (my own sleuthing), she's more known for her outrageous/violent attitude than her music… and, you're right, it is all about timing. People around me haven't been exposed to Grace to know her alleged reign but others did make a BIGGER name for themselves in her time so… fuck it. Fuck both Grace and Gaga. Bitches tire me out!
Why David Bowie, of course!
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i wonder who influenced grace jones?
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Submitted by tsklala on Sun, 04/18/2010 - 10:32pm.
But seriously, Grace dominates Gaga in looks, body, crazy, and apparently "originality and art". Gaga dominates in records sales, number one hits, overall worldwide fans, and some other shit. To ME, Gaga has accomplished more when it comes to pleasing the "ignorant" majority and the mainstream AND her career (in terms of what is expected from a Pop artist).
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Which is kinda cool cuz I was also thinking this (I think a lot when I clean;p):
It's about timing. You just weren't there. There was a time that Grace WAS Gaga. But that was then and this is now. You can't even use record sales becuz we just couldn't put out all that with our LPs and cassette tapes and radio stations back then. Add to that we have, apparently, printed BILLIONS of dollars in the last two decades (it's the only way I can account for things costing more cuz, as far as I can tell, nothing else has changed)...the numbers are just not even comparable straight on. But I think if you did the math you'd probably, at THIS point, find that Grace still surpasses Gaga there just for having time to have done it.
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