Olympic Hero Oscar Pistorius Might Have Murdered His Girlfriend
Well, here's a shitty and awful story to ruin everybody's Valentine's Day. Oscar Pistorius became an instant Olympic hero and national treasure in South Africa this past summer when he made history by becoming the first double amputee sprinter to ever compete at the Olympics. And now Oscar Pistorius is sitting in a jail, because the police in South Africa think that he shot and killed his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp at his house in Pretoria early this morning.
The New York Times says that the local media in Pretoria is reporting that this could've been a Valentine's Day surprise gone wrong in the worst way possible. The rumor (which probably came from the brain of Oscar's lawyer) is that Reeva planned to surprise him and snuck into his house right before 4 this morning. Oscar heard noises in his house and thought a burglar was inside, so he grabbed his gun, went downstairs and shot Reeva thinking she was an intruder. When the paramedics arrived, they found that Reeva had been shot in the chest, head and arms. She was pronounced dead on the scene.
A police spokesperson Brig. Denise Beukes waved that rumor away and knows that something in the milk ain't clean about that story. Denise Beukes told reporters that the police have been called to Oscar's house before over complaints of a "domestic nature." Denise wouldn't say anything else.
26-year-old Oscar was charged with murder and an application for bail is probably going to be denied during a hearing tomorrow. Pretoria was recently named the home robbery capital of South Africa and most people own guns to protect themselves. Oscar said in a New York Times Magazine profile that he owns several guns and keeps them in a display case. The night before his interview with the New York Times Magazine, Oscar said the security alarm in his house went off and he immediately grabbed his gun and went downstairs. It turned out to be nothing.
Reeva was a 30-year-old model, reality star and law school graduate. She had been dating Oscar for only two months. Just yesterday, she was tweeting about Valentine's Day.
I watch way too much 48 Hours Mysteries and Dateline NBC to believe the whole burglar story. I don't know how your ass can shoot a burglar four times without realizing that the burglar is actually your girlfriend. I'm looking at that story with a Keith Morrison squint. And if you were planning on surprising your piece this VD, maybe it's best to just slide a card under their door instead.
Here's Oscar outside of the police station this morning.
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yeah - shot through the bathroom door
what a hero
are (some of) you guys still on his side as he was in immediate danger and lives in SOUTH AFRIKA and stuff?
My heart goes out to Reeva's family. RIP, Reeva.
Such a sad thing to happen. I will not comment on that state of South Africa, since I have very little knowledge of the nation. All I will say is that this kind of violence always saddens me - what a shame.
With all the evidence the police have collected on this case, if it ever goes to trial this guy won't have a leg to stand on.
Kidl...you're right. The Pretoria Police formally charged him with murder today. It's really sad ...what he did. No excuses.
Now is the time. You're not promised tomorrow. -PR
BTW, where are these "climbing in his window" stories coming from? The police disputed this. There was no sign of forced entry.
There were pics of this house. It's huge and two-storey. Assuming his bedroom was on the second floor, why would this woman climb up the side of the house?
Also, it was widely reported in the media he had guns and other weapons. This was an educated woman-had a law degree-and she is going to "surprise" an armed man by sneaking into his home in a country with high rates of burglaries. Okay. . .
Not trying to be snarky (for once), but I don't know what SA's problems have to do with this guy.
According to the UK-based The Guardian, the guy lived in one of the most secure gated communities in SA that had 24/7 armed security personnel. This story that he may have thought she was an intruder seems fishy because as MK says, how can you shoot someone 4 times and not know they are your gf? He also has a history with the police arriving to the house for 'domestic violence' issues. Oh, and his neighbors claimed they heard 'fighting'.
Come on, he thought shoot first then check who the "intruder" is? What happened to finding out if it's a family member or person who would normally be there!? What a messed up world.
Looking at her Twitter is the sadness, RIP Reeva. :(
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Submitted by quickkill on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 1:53pm.
As far as the the violence goes in South Africa, if I was a black person who lived under repressive English and Dutch pricks for hundreds of years, I would be shooting their asses up too.
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Huh... I guess if you were black you'd also be shooting your fellow tribesmen who sold your kin into slavery, as well as your neighbors who gangraped your 1 week old baby, or your 80 year old grandma to rid themselves of AIDS. Or do your Django unchained revenge fantasies extend only to white people?
Ever been to SA? I have and more than 70% of the Black citizens I met mentioned that things were MUCH BETTER under Apartheid, they said that now they're free but SA has become a corrupt 3rd World Country, with rampant crime, unemployment and a Wild, Wild West atmosphere.
I don't care if I'm called a racist because MY people are being slaughtered and as I said before NO ONE gives one single solitary fuck Simply because of the color of their skin. How on earth is that ok?
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"How nice, to feel nothing, and still get full credit for being alive."
- Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Before you all convict the guy remember that this is SOUTH AFRICA, The rape capital of the world, where black and white women as well as infants days old as well as octogenarians are raped in "witch doctor" prescribed "cleansing rituals. This is South Africa, where exclusively white farmers are sought out for torture and slaughter, which is why people such as this Olympic champion surround themselves with as much security as they can. This is South Africa, where even St. Nelson Mandela can sing "KILL THE BOAR" without consequence. Where a politician charged with rape blamed his victim in open court for not crossing her legs while wearing a skirt, and stated that raped women sent signals that THEY HAD NEEDS WHICH THE RAPIST then interpreted and met. The quoted text below is of one of the latest atrocities in SA, it is heart wrenching because no one gives a shit especially if the victim is a Boar:
"Seventeen-year-old Anene Booysen, of Bredasdorp in the Southern Cape, was gang raped and badly mutilated. Her mother, Corlia Olivier, recounted to the SABC the sight of her daughter after the attack: “My child almost looked purple. She was in such a bad state. All her fingers were broken, her legs were broken. Her stomach had been cut up, you could see her intestines. Her throat was also slit open.”
Die Burger reported that a doctor who had first-hand knowledge of the emergency operation performed on Booysen, said someone had put their hands inside her body and pulled out her intestines."
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-02-08-the-agony-of-south-afr...
PS-And by the time this guy makes bail or is released he will too have been raped and likely infected with HIV. All before his guilt is established in a South African "Court of Law"
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"How nice, to feel nothing, and still get full credit for being alive."
- Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five
Submitted by Chris Knight on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:21pm.
the guy doesn't have any legs so he would likely be even more armed
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lmao...sorry
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One shot? Maybe.
Two shots? Highly unlikely.
Four fucking shots? No fucking way.
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:12pm.
Submitted by bambam on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 2:52pm.
@ Whams and Luci,
I can't provide evidence but I do think in most countries the one time you can get away with killing someone is if they are inside your home illegally.
you certainly don't live in one of those countries, lol. i can assure you that under CA law defense of property is not a complete defense to homicide and i don't think it would be too different in other states. except Texas. apparently you can shoot someone for looking at you wrong in Texas.
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Why do people ALWAYS have to bring Texas into this shit?
We need to just go ahead and secede already.
Sad story and I don't buy his account of events for one second. Athletes (especially pro) have a level of rage that you and I probably cannot imagine (unless you see/experience it first hand).
Yeh, because you scare away intruders by shooting at them several times.
I also call obvious BS.
Submitted by ElleDriver on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 2:49pm.
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I have read a lot of media coverages which made no sense and often even family members of the victims corrected them in the comments. I haven't been there, I don't know what happened and that was what I was trying to express - I don't believe everything that's printed, especially if it makes no sense and it would make no sense that neighbors heard them shouting before and he's now claiming he thought she was a burgelar. Plus, if the police has been to his home before, the neighbors surely would've called them again?
Edit: bad spelling, also neighbor/neighbors - be gentle, I'm not a native speaker and always mix up what's US and whats Br.
Drunken outbursts- check
History of violence, including making someone get over 100 stitches- Check
Police called to the house before for domestic issues- check
Neighbors heard them arguing recently- check
It all adds up to a bullshit cover story.
Submitted by Chris Knight on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:21pm.
"Personally I think its just some more crappy news aimed at our rite to own a gun...."
[this comment] IS FUCKING FLAWED AND FULL OF INCONSISTENCIES THAT EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD SPOT THEM IMMEDIATELY
also, it's "right." and delete "them" or insert "so." jesus.
"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12
I hope the prison has a roof or walls that are like 40' high.
Submitted by Whamo on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 4:07pm.
Agree 100% with Whamo
ugh sad. probably another roid rager.
For someone who lived in a private, walled, high security housing community, with high gates and armed guards, he's certainly trigger happy. One would think someone that scared would also have a burglar alarm as well. I know SA has a very high violent crime rate, but his impulsiveness is shocking. I wonder what the crime rate was in his Silverwoods housing complex.
Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:47pm.
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Hey no probs bud I appreciate your point of view Jake. You are right, how you would react is more apt to depend on your environment, point taken
Wouldn't you TRY to figure out who it was if you could?
I will say very few of us here in Canada have hand guns and most certainly don't understand that deep inset gun culture apparent in some US places with regard to handguns and the right to protect themselves ect. Having said that we do have a shit load of long guns and we do lots of hunting.
I was always taught you NEVER pull the trigger on any gun unless you know what you're shooting at... ever! So this I guess is were my sensibilities coming from.
If Oscar is found guilty he can do his prison time in our house.
To weigh in on the Whammers/Lu32Cy discussion... I guess I am just a trigger happy fool because I don't agree with either of you... my thought is - let's think about what someone perceives, for lack of a better term, the "norm". In communities where there is high crime (especially gun/gang/general hood rat type shit related crime) I would think anyone creepin in any window at any hour would get blasted... bad neighborhood, used to crime, somebody gets blasted... meh, just another day...
NOW - consider a quiet "Mayberry-like" community.... everybody knows everybody, you'd have no reason to think any of them would be crawling through your window... huh, what's that? who the fuck is crawlin thru mah win... *BLOWW* they get their ass shot. period. Most people would perceive a shadow sneakin through their window and roaming around inside their home as not normal, consider the threat, and quickly shift in to fight or flight, and being in their own home and they are holding a gun, they're not running... IDK, I was raised in the south where people just don't do that sort of thing...that's just my country ass opinion....
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"I ain't a killer but don't push me, Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy" ~ Tupac Amaru Shakur
Heather Mills just fell inlove.
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"you chickens need to go back to the coup, you need to lay some fucking eggs and do your fucking job, you scrambled ass bitch!"-Shane Dawson
@Whamo and Jack -- ahahahahahahaha, oh yes indeedily doodily he really meant that lyric too ;-)
*i've watched hit em up 5 times already this am since jack posted it, lol* LOVE IT!!!!
ETA: *goes to make sure i don't have no bad boy artists in my cd collection. i read tupac may still be alive, lol*
"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12
Submitted by Whamo on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:18pm.
in our c.j. system, yes -- burden is always on the defendant to prove their defense. during a trial burden of proof [and burden of production, diff things] shifts back and forth between the sides...
no clue about South African law - could be prosecution's burden to rebut the defense, or could be like us. dunno
"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12
Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:06pm.
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 1:24pm.
You are correct, you can hear how fucking pissed off he is... it's like he said 'i told y'all when i came out it was all about biggie but you had to open y'alls motherfuckin mouths'... dude had passion... annnnnnnnnnnnnnd THAT'S WHY I FUCKED YO BITCH YOU FAT MOTHERFUCKER!!! lollll
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And if you want to be down with Bad Boy,
Then fuck you too.
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:16pm.
seems we have something in common... you are now on MY 'bucket list' :P
sorry for off topic fuck yall
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"I ain't a killer but don't push me, Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy" ~ Tupac Amaru Shakur
THE STORY IS FUCKING FLAWED AND FULL OF INCONSISTENCIES THAT EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD SPOT THEM IMMEDIATELY. First of all, if he had lots of guns, WHY would she sneak into his house to "surprise" him? How moronic would that be? Especially since the guy doesn't have any legs so he would likely be even more armed and prepared than the average white in that godforsaken hellhole of a country. Did she not know this? Was she truly that stupid or did he just kill her? It'll be interesting to find out, and to see what happens to him. Personally I think its just some more crappy news aimed at our rite to own a gun....
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:12pm.
Submitted by bambam on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 2:52pm.
@ Whams and Luci,
I can't provide evidence but I do think in most countries the one time you can get away with killing someone is if they are inside your home illegally.
you certainly don't live in one of those countrie
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I would think the onus is on the homeowner to prove just cause would that be correct?
4 times? damn, Pisstorius
Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 3:06pm.
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 1:24pm.
Jack, i think that is the best delivered line in fucking rap history -- if there was any doubt that Pac and Faith knocked dem boots? game. over. lolololol!!!
i normally have about a 10 n-word limit for enjoying a rap song [;-)] but that one has now overtaken CA Love as my favorite rap song of eternity
and i love marshall mathers like he was my nasty little white brother. i own more of his cds than any other rapper
"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12
probably because she gave a bad foot rub
Submitted by bambam on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 2:52pm.
@ Whams and Luci,
I can't provide evidence but I do think in most countries the one time you can get away with killing someone is if they are inside your home illegally.
you certainly don't live in one of those countries, lol. i can assure you that under CA law defense of property is not a complete defense to homicide and i don't think it would be too different in other states. except Texas. apparently you can shoot someone for looking at you wrong in Texas.
"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12
Submitted by Foxxy Brown on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 1:24pm.
You are correct, you can hear how fucking pissed off he is... it's like he said 'i told y'all when i came out it was all about biggie but you had to open y'alls motherfuckin mouths'... dude had passion... annnnnnnnnnnnnnd THAT'S WHY I FUCKED YO BITCH YOU FAT MOTHERFUCKER!!! lollll love it I've got "hit em up" immediately before "changes" on my playlist...
ETA: The anger and passion you hear in Pac's voice is the same you hear in Eminem's voice about Kim back in early 2000.... love me some em
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"I ain't a killer but don't push me, Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy" ~ Tupac Amaru Shakur
No leg shackles?
@ Whams and Luci,
I can't provide evidence but I do think in most countries the one time you can get away with killing someone is if they are inside your home illegally. It's not hard to imagine someone being in that situation with that knowledge taking advantage of it.
There's a story in my home paper about this very thing, some off duty deputy confronting and killing a burglar in his home. I can't link it up for some reason but I'll try again.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQ-QrCFMjs
This crime involves two white people.One of them with a history of drunken,belligerent,abusive behavior.Still...you can be certain that his defense team will (even if only in abstract) blame overall "South African Society" for the client's murderous stupidity. You know...blame it on Black people if even remotely possible. It been done...and it will be done in this case too. Not sayin' it'll work...but it's really all they got.
LOL!! Third scenario... he hears me come down the stairs instead of getting the fuck out of my house I hear try him to hide IN my house, then first time I see movement I shoot because I now KNOW it's no one I know and my life might very well be in danger.
Submitted by tomahawk on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 2:20pm.
This story is BS, I haven't been there, I don't know anything about their relationship, or whatever, but it's quite certain that he lived in a high security home. So - I doubt that neighbors can hear anything of what is going on inside the house and I really really doubt that his girlfriend sneaks into a high security building to surprise him.
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I've read in a few UK publications that the police have "witnesses" and that they were "speaking with neighbours." These neighbours could have heard and seen them arguing OUTSIDE Pistorius's home. He has a huge outdoor property. I'm trying not to place judgement before all facts are in, and this is only my own speculation as to why the police are so adamant about calling bullshit on the burglar story.
Why do women ask for bullets in their chest?
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Submitted by stinkbutt on Mon, 03/29/2010 - 5:47pm.
suckandfuck, do us all a favor, and hang yourself. Oh, and your parents should be shot for raising a disgusting pig like yourself.
Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 12:56pm.
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dude. Hit 'Em Up was my jam in high school. It probably looked strange to see a small, white girl from farms-ville Wisconsin rapping along with this song but I didn't care. I may have lived in the country, but I wasn't country.
Of COURSE we cool. lol...just a debate :D
OK..I do understand what you are saying and I DO appreciate the mindset I would have especially compared to a white person living in a post apartheid society. I totally understand what you mean.
If that person was climbing through my window 2 feet away from me that's one scenario. That is a scenario where I would be less apt to play my Canadian :) game of 20 questions. I like you would be more apt to pull the trigger and ask questions later because for the sake of my safety I probably dont have time to figure out WTF is goin on. You can make an excuse for a bad shot like that.
NOW if that same person was climbing thru my downstairs living room window and I had time to sneek downstairs, line them up from a SAFE distance, let them know they had a gun on their ass, I would do so. I would not walk down the stairs, line them up, say nothing and take the shot. If I was in a safe position to find out who they were I would, you CANT make that same excuse if you had time to see who you were shooting at.
In scenario two I do have the opportunity to find out if it's my stupid buddy trying to get into my house. In scenario one I don't.
If you shoot first and ask questions later you always only have one scenario and that's a dead person laying in your house.
Again I'm just trying to say if if if you have the chance to perhaps not kill someone you know you take it IF you can.
@ Fox, we'll just disagree on this one. You do his thinking for him, I just go by what's been reported.
In the last hours of his life he was on the run, he jacked a vehicle and had a shootout. That put a location on him for the cops. He found a cabin to hole up in, they tracked him there and surrounded him.
The cops didn't create a diversion for him, they set fire to the cabin, sat there and waited for someone to come out. How is that diverting their attention?
He would've had to extend a smoke screen outside the house, one large enough to enable him to make a dash without being shot immediately upon leaving. Not all the cops would've been diverted, he needed a couple of automatics, maybe a few grenades even.
Unless that property had some kinda tunnel or some nearby terrain the cops couldn't post a lookout, he would've been spotted quickly (unless of course he really was one of those JB movie types, all stealthy and lethal with a knife.)
And the cops were pros, it would've taken them less than a minute to realize he'd created a diversion. They would've re established communication around the inner perimeter, discovered his escape and gave chase. They would've had helicopters in the air in a hot minute.
He might've made it past the inner circle surrounding him but unless he knew the terrain like the back of his hand he was fucked. Sorry, I totally disagree with you on this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQ-QrCFMjs
Most people would not shoot the intruder unless the intruder had a weapon and was trying to shoot or stab them.
This story is BS, I haven't been there, I don't know anything about their relationship, or whatever, but it's quite certain that he lived in a high security home. So - I doubt that neighbors can hear anything of what is going on inside the house and I really really doubt that his girlfriend sneaks into a high security building to surprise him. I also doubt that shooting someone into the head, chest and arm is that likely if it's dark, but maybe he had a semi automatic.
It would be fun if for once the people solving the case would reveal the full truth when sentencing him, not sugarcoating it, no matter that he's disabled and a celeb.
Anybody know if Claudine Longet's lawyer is still practicing?
Truth, that psycho bitch got away with murder.
Submitted by stefystef on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 1:41pm.
SANS FARDS is a Daryl fan. How cool is that?
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oh yes ma'am, I love me some Norman Reedus! He's my favorite character on TWD, by far. I hope he kicks Merle's ass, bigtime.
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A Lannister always pays his debts.
Wham, the scenario is this: you wake up at 4am and someone is climbing through your window. Not that someone showed up in other circumstances. In Canada, one might think of many reasons why someone is climbing through your window at 4am (drunk, lost their keys, Valentines surprise, etc) but I'm trying to make a very clear distinction between what this looks like in African society vs. Western society.
But we COOL, right?